[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by doc7000

There have been rumors that there is a new engine coming called the LT2 a 6.2L motor with a bit more power. If this is true then I can see them both getting the LT2 engine, though honestly the Camaro doesn't need the added power. The new Mustang GT with 460BHP is in ZL1 Camaro weight ranges so 5 less BHP and 35 more ft-lbs of torque on the Camaro is more then enough.

First of all doc7000, the 2018 stang is underrated, the cars are dynoing about 420 rwhp which is 480 plus HP at the flywheel, the stang is using the super great 10 speed automatic that Camaro only uses in the ZL1, the stang is using more gear and the great Michelin pilot 4S tires for more bite. The stang is easily getting 118 and 119 mph trap speeds in the 1/4 mile versus 115/116 for Camaro proving more HP. If Camaro does nothing the 18 GT stangs will be winning a lot more drag races. Camaro had the mustang GT covered for the 15, 16 and 17 model years, but that's over for 18.

[Spanky1]

A refresh doesn't get a new engine!

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Spanky1

A refresh doesn't get a new engine!

The 1998 Z28 disagrees with you.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Spanky1

A refresh doesn't get a new engine!

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The 1998 Z28 disagrees with you.

Generally no.

However, if it is an engine within a "family" it can be done.

But there used to be 3 defined levels of change for an MCE1 through MCE3.

It is very possible, but GM has not generally done it in the recent past. It's a lot of work.

But historically, GM went from the 5.7L to the 6.0L in the CTS-V and the C6 Corvette launched with 6.0L and quickly added the 6.2L. So it's possible to add or replace an engine mid cycle.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Generally no.

However, if it is an engine within a "family" it can be done.

But there used to be 3 defined levels of change for an MCE1 through MCE3.

It is very possible, but GM has not generally done it in the recent past. It's a lot of work.

But historically, GM went from the 5.7L to the 6.0L in the CTS-V and the C6 Corvette launched with 6.0L and quickly added the 6.2L. So it's possible to add or replace an engine mid cycle.

All Camaro needs is a horsepower pump via the addition of port injection, compression, get rid of V4 mode and the associated mechanical limitations (cam lifters) and whatever else for a 20 horsepower increase. 475 horse sounds so good and so easy to obtain for the 2019 refresh imo.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by doc7000

There have been rumors that there is a new engine coming called the LT2 a 6.2L motor with a bit more power. If this is true then I can see them both getting the LT2 engine, though honestly the Camaro doesn't need the added power. The new Mustang GT with 460BHP is in ZL1 Camaro weight ranges so 5 less BHP and 35 more ft-lbs of torque on the Camaro is more then enough.

The base GT is in the 3710 lb range, A base SS is in the 3650 lb range from what I can remember.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Generally no.

However, if it is an engine within a "family" it can be done.

But there used to be 3 defined levels of change for an MCE1 through MCE3.

It is very possible, but GM has not generally done it in the recent past. It's a lot of work.

But historically, GM went from the 5.7L to the 6.0L in the CTS-V and the C6 Corvette launched with 6.0L and quickly added the 6.2L. So it's possible to add or replace an engine mid cycle.

Can’t remember if it was this thread or another thread talking about can / will GM add hp quickly, but this is the example I was trying to remember. Engineers were tinkering around with the 6.0 and came up with a viable approach to getting the 6.2 and just went with it. One of the fastest development programs I had ever seen. Since most of the physical external dimensions and key interface points were unchanged, integration and validation weren’t much different than usual model year to model year work.

The CTS-V and SSR switching from 5.7 to 6.0 we’re both an issue of 6.0 not being ready when the vehicle was ready, so 5.7 had to suffice for one year.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

The base GT is in the 3710 lb range, A base SS is in the 3650 lb range from what I can remember.

Again, you’d have to compare a base GT with track pack to a 1SS

[SliChillax]

Originally Posted by Spanky1

A refresh doesn't get a new engine!

Yes it does, maybe not in this case but automakers usually always put new engines in facelifted models.

[metros11]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

First of all doc7000, the 2018 stang is underrated, the cars are dynoing about 420 rwhp which is 480 plus HP at the flywheel...

The whole 'underrated' is a myth. You're basing that on a 12-13% drivetrain loss, where no one actually knows what that number is or should be. SS Camaros have dynoed 410-415 stock. Does that mean they're also underrated and product 470-475hp instead of 455?

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by SliChillax

Yes it does, maybe not in this case but automakers usually always put new engines in facelifted models.

logic fail

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Nicul15

Again, you’d have to compare a base GT with track pack to a 1SS

Why would you 'have to'? Base 1SS to a base GT is a fair comparison in my book.

[Marko]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

First of all doc7000, the 2018 stang is underrated, the cars are dynoing about 420 rwhp which is 480 plus HP at the flywheel, the stang is using the super great 10 speed automatic that Camaro only uses in the ZL1, the stang is using more gear and the great Michelin pilot 4S tires for more bite. The stang is easily getting 118 and 119 mph trap speeds in the 1/4 mile versus 115/116 for Camaro proving more HP. If Camaro does nothing the 18 GT stangs will be winning a lot more drag races. Camaro had the mustang GT covered for the 15, 16 and 17 model years, but that's over for 18.

I think you’re dreaming. 480 flywheel hp? Post a link.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by metros11

Why would you 'have to'? Base 1SS to a base GT is a fair comparison in my book.

Equipment.