[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

I was just about to say this. Put Evans in a stock zl1 for a day in a prepped track in mineshaft air and see what time he would get.

Yeah, I am not holding my breath for an honest answer though.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Gotcha, so a modded zl1 was half a second slower than Lund's best run.
How do you then parse your DEFINITIVE STATEMENT that a modded 18 GT cannot keep up with a stock ZL1. You can't, end of discussion.


None of the above. What is misleading about CAR A with MODS X and Y ran time Z? You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.


Pot meet Kettle. What data is being ignored? Was the track on a planet with a different gravitational pull? Did the car have jet rockets attached to it? Was Captain Kirk using a tractor beam on the vehicle?


Why would I need to do this? Others have already demonstrated the capabilities of the 18 GT. Do you have evidence that those results are fabricated?


An 11.31 is quicker than an 11.8 ........



Which A10 ZL1 would that be? The one in entries 3 through 14 on your fast list?





Why wouldn't I consider it? Its the basis of the discussion.
-You claim Car A can't cover a certain distance in a certain time.
-We witness evidence of Car A covering that distance in a certain time.

It dismantles your argument.
What more is there to consider?


Relevance? If anything the fact that you have had a much longer period of time to accumulate times hurts, not helps your argument.


I have a solution to this. See below. Its a revolutionary idea and I think it will gain traction (wink wink) at courses across the nation.


So most racers don't care about any of that - getting the fastest time? good to know.








So can we agree that tracks should now interview drivers regarding what level of effort they employed after each run? Maybe have a slip with the following boxes to check off:
Driver Effort:
"Some to little"
"Medium effort"
"Maximum effort- I did it for the Gipper!"

I can see drivers now:
"Im not really trying here and I will not let this reflect on my self worth as a human being."

Did you really push the gas pedal with as much fervor and effort as was possible?


Im finished. You can equivocate however you please.

Maybe there will be a new fundamental law of physics (yet undiscovered) which will ensure that a ZL1 will never again be beaten by a bolt on 18 gt.

Chevy's 4th law of motion?

Trolling hard.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I have one question.

Do you think Evans would be faster in the modded 'GT or a stock ZL1 on same day?

To be clear, do you think he can drive that Mustang faster than he can drive a ZL1 all things remaining equal?

He's just trolling.

[L99BEN]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

ironically a study just came out ranking all 50 states by drivers and FL was 2nd best. iirc New Hampshire was #1

Lol what study was that?!
Florida drivers are terrible and reckless every time I go there, especially around the Miami area.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

ironically a study just came out ranking all 50 states by drivers and FL was 2nd best. iirc New Hampshire was #1

Yes, we are good drivers.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Im finished. You can equivocate however you please.

Maybe there will be a new fundamental law of physics (yet undiscovered) which will ensure that a ZL1 will never again be beaten by a bolt on 18 gt.

Chevy's 4th law of motion?

I have an idea. Get a 2018 GT. When you do, go get the aforementioned mods that Lund had on his car when he ran the 11.3. After you do that let we'll race. Or get one, do those mods, and then shoot me a video of you at the track. If you think a GT with those mods can keep up then prove it to me. Ok "Pony Car"?

[BlaqWhole]

I'm going to go test drive one of these 11 sec GTs, lol!! I'm gonna go to a Ford dealership in my Merc and act like I'm looking to buy one.

[Spartan268]

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

No it won't. And the main problem with all of this is that the arrogance is soo profound that we have to debate that a GT is NOT faster than a ZL1. It isn't even faster than the SS. Tune/tire/exhaust on a SS and it won't come close to a ZL1 either. Dude, there is a 180/230 hp/tq difference between the cars. The ZL1 tested at a 11.4 to the GT's 12.6. That is a 1.2 second difference. A tune and tire and exhaust is not going to overcome that. Especially when these kids sat over here saying that the tire didn't do much and the tune didn't either. They gave the larger amount of credit for that run to the car itself. Now all of a sudden it does a 12.6 in an actual test and we're supposed to believe the tune/tire/exhaust has magical properties and will propel the car 1.2 seconds faster? There is no way in hell that it will beat an A10 ZL1. And I would put my money on the M6 ZL1 beating it too. That is on the same day and same track. I don't care if Randy Pobst, Evans, John Urist, or the Arch Angel Gabriel himself drives the GT. It is not going to beat a stock ZL1 unless it is FBO including a tire and/or boost/nitrous.

Game. Set. Match. Agreed, that we even have to discuss this. But when that 12.2 time was laid down, the fanboys went wild and assumed a tune/tire/and fuel would slay the Zl1. At that moment, I realized.......................that i completely messed up buying a '18 Zl1. I should of bought the '18 Mustang GT instead. All I would have to do is go full bolt on w/tune and start tearing the interior to shreds to shave some lbs. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, nevermind. I'm going back to digital currency land.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Game. Set. Match. Agreed, that we even have to discuss this. But when that 12.2 time was laid down, the fanboys went wild and assumed a tune/tire/and fuel would slay the Zl1. At that moment, I realized.......................that i completely messed up buying a '18 Zl1. I should of bought the '18 Mustang GT instead. All I would have to do is go full bolt on w/tune and start tearing the interior to shreds to shave some lbs. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, nevermind. I'm going back to digital currency land.

It is really a shame and quite pathetic that all their hopes and dreams lie in the results of a 460 HP GT that can't beat a M6 SS even with the A10 trans and can barely outhandle a SUV. That is how far the Mustang has fallen. Everyone out there has mega HP cars pushing well into supercar territory numbers bone stock. All while the Mustang has nothing on that level or even close to that level and won't have anything for another year or so. And at that time it won't even be anything special. No wonder they have to go import and compare modded GTs to stock Camaros, lol! Now that is one thing they have in common with ricers.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Gotcha, so a modded zl1 was half a second slower than Lund's best run.
How do you then parse your DEFINITIVE STATEMENT that a modded 18 GT cannot keep up with a stock ZL1. You can't, end of discussion.


None of the above. What is misleading about CAR A with MODS X and Y ran time Z? You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.


Pot meet Kettle. What data is being ignored? Was the track on a planet with a different gravitational pull? Did the car have jet rockets attached to it? Was Captain Kirk using a tractor beam on the vehicle?


Why would I need to do this? Others have already demonstrated the capabilities of the 18 GT. Do you have evidence that those results are fabricated?


An 11.31 is quicker than an 11.8 ........



Which A10 ZL1 would that be? The one in entries 3 through 14 on your fast list?





Why wouldn't I consider it? Its the basis of the discussion.
-You claim Car A can't cover a certain distance in a certain time.
-We witness evidence of Car A covering that distance in a certain time.

It dismantles your argument.
What more is there to consider?


Relevance? If anything the fact that you have had a much longer period of time to accumulate times hurts, not helps your argument.


I have a solution to this. See below. Its a revolutionary idea and I think it will gain traction (wink wink) at courses across the nation.


So most racers don't care about any of that - getting the fastest time? good to know.








So can we agree that tracks should now interview drivers regarding what level of effort they employed after each run? Maybe have a slip with the following boxes to check off:
Driver Effort:
"Some to little"
"Medium effort"
"Maximum effort- I did it for the Gipper!"

I can see drivers now:
"Im not really trying here and I will not let this reflect on my self worth as a human being."

Did you really push the gas pedal with as much fervor and effort as was possible?


Im finished. You can equivocate however you please.

Maybe there will be a new fundamental law of physics (yet undiscovered) which will ensure that a ZL1 will never again be beaten by a bolt on 18 gt.

Chevy's 4th law of motion?

Why does the performance of a private owner who was actually honest about his time keep getting used as the basis for all ZL1s vs a unicorn Lund car with "only e85 and Drag pack "? A scientific test was just run that showed the 18 GT PP is slower than a 2SS. Not a ZL1, an SS. So at Lund's rented track, in mineshaft air with e85 and Drag pack the 2SS would run faster than the "11.3". Yet we aren't talking about that. Or the 10.9s that the ZL1 can do we are talking about an amateur driver launching off idle and having some fun but NOT abusing his ZL1 and running an 11.8.

Cut this bullshit out. It makes you look stupid. You won't even say what car you actually own. (Id guess an 88 foxbody). Regardless, if you think the 18 GT is so fap worthy then go buy one. Have Lund tune it and get a drag pack. Then post a slip of YOUR time. Til then GTFO.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Why does the performance of a private owner who was actually honest about his time keep getting used as the basis for all ZL1s vs a unicorn Lund car with "only e85 and Drag pack "? A scientific test was just run that showed the 18 GT PP is slower than a 2SS. Not a ZL1, an SS. So at Lund's rented track, in mineshaft air with e85 and Drag pack the 2SS would run faster than the "11.3". Yet we aren't talking about that. Or the 10.9s that the ZL1 can do we are talking about an amateur driver launching off idle and having some fun but NOT abusing his ZL1 and running an 11.8.

Cut this bullshit out. It makes you look stupid. You won't even say what car you actually own. (Id guess an 88 foxbody). Regardless, if you think the 18 GT is so fap worthy then go buy one. Have Lund tune it and get a drag pack. Then post a slip of YOUR time. Til then GTFO.

To quote BackHole:
"You mad bro?"

It has something to do with who is claiming what about which cars. That's a hint. Read the posts.
Those who throw stones......

Intellectual dishonesty does no one any good. Fanboy or not. Mustang or Camaro.
Dumbing down of discourse. Tribalism. Something you don't like is "Fake News" regardless of whether its true or not.

Would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by germanicus

To quote BackHole:
"You mad bro?"

No. I'm not the one making ridiculous posts about 2 cars you can't sniff the exhaust of, much less drive. Your whataboutism argument with Blaq is truly mind boggling. The 18 GT was tested twice, been slower than an SS twice and all you can say is: "What about Lund's unicorn car? What about Blaq "only" running an 11.8? What about blah. Blah. Blah. Just stop. Run back to the other forums before the mods ban you.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

No. I'm not the one making ridiculous posts about 2 cars you can't sniff the exhaust of, much less drive. Your whataboutism argument with Blaq is truly mind boggling. The 18 GT was tested twice, been slower than an SS twice and all you can say is: "What about Lund's unicorn car? What about Blaq "only" running an 11.8? What about blah. Blah. Blah. Just stop. Run back to the other forums before the mods ban you.

Why would they ban me?
I'm merely pointing out that the car (In the VERSUS thread no less) has posted numbers which indicate a certain level of performance. If people get their panties in a bunch over that, that's on them.

Again, entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
Ridiculous is ignoring the fact that certain data points fall outside your preferred slope.

Its almost Orwellian in here with the double speak. An echo chamber of the same 3 peoples scatological repetition of the same (disproven) talking points.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by germanicus

To quote BackHole:
"You mad bro?"

It has something to do with who is claiming what about which cars. That's a hint. Read the posts.
Those who throw stones......

Intellectual dishonesty does no one any good. Fanboy or not. Mustang or Camaro.
Dumbing down of discourse. Tribalism. Something you don't like is "Fake News" regardless of whether its true or not.

Would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

So now we have a troll AND a pseudo-intelligent Millennial all rolled into one. You learn all that in this week's debate class in your night courses at trade school or what? Scrounging around for information while ignoring all the important data to suit your argument shows how much of a stretch you need to defend the GT. And all that does is prove just how pathetic it is and how ricer you are. The only wins you can procure are those where you have to stretch everything and exaggerate the info that suits you while severely downplaying all the pertinent info. If the GT was as impressive as you want to think it is, then you wouldn't have to rely on tactics. With me it is plain and simple. Get a GT, modify it like Lund did, show up to my track, race me, and let's put this all to rest. Simple. No bullshit. No comparing max effort perfect DA to my no effort run in the Summer. No manipulating data to support your idiotic theories. Just a simple and plain race to decide what is what.

Not one of you trolls have accepted my offer which tells me that you're either scared or you don't even believe your own bullshit. Because if someone challenged me to something that I fully believe, then I would have accepted a long time ago.