[kttxz06]

http://www.khou.com/traffic/hcso-2-d...unty/502289094

'18 Mustang GT driver kills 2. On Xmas. That didn't take long.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

http://www.khou.com/traffic/hcso-2-d...unty/502289094

'18 Mustang GT driver kills 2. On Xmas. That didn't take long.

Sad. Hate to see stuff like that.

[BlaqWhole]

Saw the pics. What. The. ****??

This is sad. I gotta say I am deeply saddened by this. Talking shit on here is one thing. But I hate seeing the loss of life especially on a Holiday. Guys, please be safe out there no matter what you're driving. RIP.

[BlaqWhole]

And as much as I talk about the other forum, I hope it wasn't one of them. Hell, I wish it didn't happen to anyone at all. Such a shame.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And as much as I talk about the other forum, I hope it wasn't one of them. Hell, I wish it didn't happen to anyone at all. Such a shame.

It was here in Houston. Who knows who it is. Looks like a brand new Gray GT to me. RIP to those who passed. Yea, I was just messing around online today, checking out local news (I rarely do that as I'm mostly online in the digital currency world). They showed a guy in the back seat of the cop car. Not sure what the relation was or if the Mustang driver passed or what. Almost makes me feel guilty doing 145 mph today.

Ah, just watched it again. Said one of the Mustang drivers passed. 2 Mustangs racing. Plowed into a SUV pulling out of a parking lot.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And as much as I talk about the other forum, I hope it wasn't one of them. Hell, I wish it didn't happen to anyone at all. Such a shame.

Agreed.

[Poppacapp]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Completely incorrect. If you're talking all out max effort cars with unlimited potential and unlimited money thrown at them then it can go either way. Which is why we avoid bringing mods into the discussion. Because it blurs the debate. And it comes down to the driver at that point. Every little mistake will make a huge difference.

If you're talking about FBO including boost but remaining streetable then it still goes either way. I've seen GTs with FBO and boost do mid 11s. And I've seen 6th Gen SS with nothing but boost hit low 11s even into the high 10s. What does that tell you? And I've seen it the other way around too. There are many many factors involved including who can trim more weight, the tires used, how the combo is set up (efficient setups will always have an advantage over inefficient ones), etc. It isn't a "Mustang will definitely win" issue at all. Not even close. Plus there are way to many different modifications to even justify that statement. FBO and full weight. FBO tubbed. Etc. How do you know the GTs you saw weren't gutted to extreme measures? How would I know. These types of races are reserved for different categories where there are rules regarding what can and can't be done or what the minimum weight requirement is. But all of that is getting into a whole nother ballgame.

All things being equal, the one car I would say is superior in the quarter mile mod for mod is the Hellcat. No other car I know of exists that with nothing but bolt-ons (including E85 and/or meth) can safely and reliably get into the 900s on the stock blower, stock heads, stock cam, and with the stock engine internals. Do a pulley, E85, tune, tire, and driveshaft and you'll be close to 800 to the wheels all day safely. Port the blower, add LTs, and you'll see 900s. With just a pulley swap and tune they'll make approx 750 to the wheels. And the Demon will be even more intense. But even that is a discussion for a different day.

We debate this stuff because that is what we do. What I don't understand is why people who don't understand why we debate show up to these threads trying to rationalize. If you don't understand it or don't like it, then let those of us that do understand it comment. I don't care about vinyl wrapping, cosmetic shit, which wax is the best, which wheel looks better, how far it can be lowered, or any of that other stuff. Do I go on those sub-forums trying to tell people that vinyl wrapping doesn't matter? Or saying "who cares" when someone wants to know which wheel looks better? No, I don't. I stay out of it. So if it doesn't interest you, then ok fine. But you don't have to tune in or jump in either. Simple as that. Let those of us who are interested in these debates do what we do.

Well, my point was how simple it is to get the S550s to run amazing times with boost(No, not the improper 11second ones). The LT1 is an amazing NA platform(I know personally with my GS).. H/C setup on this motor and it kicks NA ass.

The example I had in mind when I mentioned the twin kit with fuel and converter Mustang wise was a company LPF.. makes a twin kit for the S550s They have many cars running very fast time. One example being a brand new S550 off dealer lot. They installed their twin kit, fuel setup to support it, and a converter. Ran 9.1 sec 1/4 on 20" wheels. Can't remember the trap right off hand, but I believe it was in the 140s.. maybe faster. It did that on completely stock internals motor, transmission(other than converter), and factory rear end/IRS... My point in all of that is how easy it is to make them VERY fast. Yes... 6gens can be made very fast too, although they have not been as fast as the S550s have been at this point in time.

It's hard for me to convey this point of view without seeming to be biased... especially typing it on a Camaro forum. But it is how the current situation is.

As far as debating stock performance... sure,, nothing wrong with that per se... but that is only going to apply to maybe 25% of the customers. Everyone else is making them faster with mods.

[Poppacapp]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

http://www.khou.com/traffic/hcso-2-d...unty/502289094

'18 Mustang GT driver kills 2. On Xmas. That didn't take long.

Damn.. thats messed up.

[Syphon23]

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

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As far as debating stock performance... sure,, nothing wrong with that per se... but that is only going to apply to maybe 25% of the customers. Everyone else is making them faster with mods.

Are you saying 75% of people mod their SS/GTs?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

Well, my point was how simple it is to get the S550s to run amazing times with boost(No, not the improper 11second ones). The LT1 is an amazing NA platform(I know personally with my GS).. H/C setup on this motor and it kicks NA ass.

The example I had in mind when I mentioned the twin kit with fuel and converter Mustang wise was a company LPF.. makes a twin kit for the S550s They have many cars running very fast time. One example being a brand new S550 off dealer lot. They installed their twin kit, fuel setup to support it, and a converter. Ran 9.1 sec 1/4 on 20" wheels. Can't remember the trap right off hand, but I believe it was in the 140s.. maybe faster. It did that on completely stock internals motor, transmission(other than converter), and factory rear end/IRS... My point in all of that is how easy it is to make them VERY fast. Yes... 6gens can be made very fast too, although they have not been as fast as the S550s have been at this point in time.

It's hard for me to convey this point of view without seeming to be biased... especially typing it on a Camaro forum. But it is how the current situation is.

As far as debating stock performance... sure,, nothing wrong with that per se... but that is only going to apply to maybe 25% of the customers. Everyone else is making them faster with mods.

I know all about Lebanon's Mustang packages. I actually considered their TT Coyote setup. But I chose my ZL1 over it. Lots of companies have high HP, high trap speed, low ET claims. But, like I say all the time, these are shops and advertisements and it is meant to bring in customers. They exaggerate their gains and the driveability/sustainability/reliability all the time. Even the top shops do that. Some of them flat out lie. Which is why soo many cars out there end up with cracked pistons and such. Do I think a S550 GT with TT and other add-ons can run 9s in the quarter at 140+ on the stock bottom end? Absolutely. But it will not be reliable on that tune and that amount of boost as a DD. These guys take cars and push it to do this or that on extreme tunes and extreme setups that are designed only for the quarter mile or only for a few good passes. But then they dial it back by a LOT and claim it is a 9 sec DD when it really isn't. Or they don't dial it back and it blows up 3 days later. Also factor in that a S550 with their kit and supporting mods will be well over $60K and that is for a base GT BTW. And that isn't including all the add-ons it would need to hit the 9s that they claim it can do.

And it is not a simple process to get this type of performance. Chances are the vast majority of people trying to get into the 9s will blow their bottom end out first. It costs a lot of money, takes a lot of time, and much more to get into the 9s. It is a very expensive endeavor.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

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As far as debating stock performance... sure,, nothing wrong with that per se... but that is only going to apply to maybe 25% of the customers. Everyone else is making them faster with mods.

I think that's highly unlikely even if you're only implying they put on a CAI....which is far off the extreme example you site for higher mod potential.

Now that the GT* has joined the SS as a low 12 sec car in stock form, I'd bet the vast majority won't be modded at all.

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode

[mlee]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

It was here in Houston. Who knows who it is. Looks like a brand new Gray GT to me. RIP to those who passed. Yea, I was just messing around online today, checking out local news (I rarely do that as I'm mostly online in the digital currency world). They showed a guy in the back seat of the cop car. Not sure what the relation was or if the Mustang driver passed or what. Almost makes me feel guilty doing 145 mph today.

Ah, just watched it again. Said one of the Mustang drivers passed. 2 Mustangs racing. Plowed into a SUV pulling out of a parking lot.

Saw this on the TV and they showed the other White Mustang 1/4 mile down the road crashed into a pole. He had to have fled to get that far away and then the dumb ass crashed and was injured as well.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by mlee

Saw this on the TV and they showed the other White Mustang 1/4 mile down the road crashed into a pole. He had to have fled to get that far away and then the dumb ass crashed and was injured as well.

I missed that. Must of been on another news channel. Yea, you figure....90-100mph and they hit each other. You gonna slide a good while until some other object will make you stop. And I bet you they were going faster than 90 mph too.

[Poppacapp]

Originally Posted by Syphon23

Are you saying 75% of people mod their SS/GTs?

It was an arbitrary number I threw out there. Many Mustang/Camaro owners mod their cars. Of course there are different levels to the mods.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I know all about Lebanon's Mustang packages. I actually considered their TT Coyote setup. But I chose my ZL1 over it. Lots of companies have high HP, high trap speed, low ET claims. But, like I say all the time, these are shops and advertisements and it is meant to bring in customers. They exaggerate their gains and the driveability/sustainability/reliability all the time. Even the top shops do that. Some of them flat out lie. Which is why soo many cars out there end up with cracked pistons and such. Do I think a S550 GT with TT and other add-ons can run 9s in the quarter at 140+ on the stock bottom end? Absolutely. But it will not be reliable on that tune and that amount of boost as a DD. These guys take cars and push it to do this or that on extreme tunes and extreme setups that are designed only for the quarter mile or only for a few good passes. But then they dial it back by a LOT and claim it is a 9 sec DD when it really isn't. Or they don't dial it back and it blows up 3 days later. Also factor in that a S550 with their kit and supporting mods will be well over $60K and that is for a base GT BTW. And that isn't including all the add-ons it would need to hit the 9s that they claim it can do.

And it is not a simple process to get this type of performance. Chances are the vast majority of people trying to get into the 9s will blow their bottom end out first. It costs a lot of money, takes a lot of time, and much more to get into the 9s. It is a very expensive endeavor.

Lebanon actually now contracts with LPF to build cars for them, but I was speak of before this and not Lebanon. LPF is their own company. The 9second Mustang I spoke of wasn't a shop car... it was a customer car. There are alot of videos of their customer cars running at tracks, grudge racing, roll racing etc. They have a decent twin kit for the S550s that has been in circulation since 2015.

Originally Posted by hotlap

I think that's highly unlikely even if you're only implying they put on a CAI....which is far off the extreme example you site for higher mod potential.

Now that the GT* has joined the SS as a low 12 sec car in stock form, I'd bet the vast majority won't be modded at all.

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode

I think we will see many Flex fuel tune, drag pack, exhaust, etc 18 Mustangs out there IMO. Basic boltons will allow them to run low 11s, and possible some may get into the 10s, similar to 6gens/C7s.