[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

A fully loaded out GT runs $53k. $7k more and you can scoop you up a Zl1. No brainer. I guess the same could be said with the top model SS. Aren't they running low $50's too?

It is even closer to the MSRP of the non-R GT350 while not offering close to the same performance.

[Fox9350]

[Jastone]

Your first post on this forum;

Originally Posted by Fox9350

Does it concern the camaro owners here, even a little, that the 2018 mustang GT which has been out a matter of weeks and is in the hands of almost no one is already posting hero runs at or near the very best of the current camaro? How about the trap speeds we’re seeing which hover close to 120mph? When I look at the hero list of camaro here I see trap speeds at 114, 115, 116 mph. And that is a car in the hands of public a couple years.....just wait until the public has these (almost no one has one yet, look at the orders page on mustang6g)....probably won’t be until spring next year when we see avg Joes breaking into 11s at 120. As of now I’ve seen 3 YouTube’s with claims of bone stock Down to the tire (NOT DRAG RADIALS) trapping at almost 120 with the worst run 12.0x and Evans hero runs in the deep 11.8x. If you’re not concerned from a fanboy bench racing standpoint based on all that, you should be.

I’ve seen “ it’s a ringer” , “the track was rented”, “he ripped out the seats” , “drag radials”.....only true claim was track rental for Evan, rest fanboy bs. Others did on public track nights......The 2018 GT is a faster car in a straight line than the SS. Denial isn’t a river in Egypt.

To your most recent post;

Originally Posted by Fox9350

Because they can. The Mustang has a much stronger history and following. The car literally commands a higher premium. You can credibly argue the Camaro presents a better performance value and I’ll give you that. In the end these companies are in it to make money. If they could charge 100k for a Mustang GT they would. It’s all the market. People are willing to pay more for a Mustang. GM has to do incentives, price drops, etc to even try to compete sales wise, and thy fall short often. Just is what it is. Kind of like how Ferraris are more expensive and slightly less performance more often than not to Lamborghini’s which are like the garish loud cousin at the family reunion trying to be noticed. You think Ferrari enthusiasts give a shit if is some gaudy huracan is a tenth faster?

Anyway I still find it bizarre we’re using a non PP GT with shitty tires and SHITTY REAR GEARS optioned out with whatever brought the MSRP to 49k in non performances items from edmunds who soccer moms read for mini van reviews as a bench test worthy of criticism. Aside from the laughably bad and wrong 0-60 the 12.6 is probably not far off for that exact trim and hardly embarrassing. Given the weather, track condition, driver and fact you can launch the car a hundred different ways with the modes and sett8ngs, my guess is it maxes out at 12.4 in that trim.

Again I expect to see the best neutral magazines will get 12.2-12.4 in the PP1 with A10 @ 118-120, and I expect the fast list of enthusiasts to be 11.6-12.0 @ 117-121 which would make it better than the current camaro by a hair but pretty much neck and neck....not sure how any of this is a fail in a mid cycle refresh. Car screams and looks better and sells better. Not losing sleep about the camaro even if it does come in faster or the next one pushes the bar a little further. You can keep your push rod much larger displacement engine which makes similar or less power and have fun.

I’d buy a 2015-2017 mustang over any camaro at same price now, knowing it’s slower, why? Because I like mustangs and don’t like camaros. Most people agree.

Tone has changed a bit from the first post. Wouldn’t you say? Wonder what changed?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Fox9350

Dude drives a Kia and makes a pretty stupid comment and the only way to save face is with this "triggered" BS. Yea right. Based on your reaction you completely believed everything you posted. And this isn't the first time you posted something completely incorrect and was proven wrong...like when you made those incorrect comments about the 2SS trim level and got corrected. You haven't got the slightest idea what you're talking about.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Fox9350

Again I expect to see the best neutral magazines will get 12.2-12.4 in the PP1 with A10 @ 118-120, and I expect the fast list of enthusiasts to be 11.6-12.0 @ 117-121 which would make it better than the current camaro by a hair but pretty much neck and neck....not sure how any of this is a fail in a mid cycle refresh. Car screams and looks better and sells better. Not losing sleep about the camaro even if it does come in faster or the next one pushes the bar a little further. You can keep your push rod much larger displacement engine which makes similar or less power and have fun.

You're not going to see mags do a 12.2-12.4 with speeds of 118-120. And you're not going to see individual owners pulling 11.6-12.0. And you damn sure ain't gonna see traps speeds of 121. Not on stock GTs. You've already seen the best that these cars are going to do. The mags will be 12.5-12.8 depending on trans. Some might be able to pull a 12.4...maybe. But even that is still a mid 12. Some owners might get around the area of an 11.9. MAYBE. But it won't be the norm and it won't be just any GT. It'll be one with the options needed to get it to run those times. On average the GT WILL be slower than the SS. And the Camaro is getting a refresh which means they could bump the power and REALLY put it to the GT. But they don't even have to do that. You're fighting a losing battle kid. The S550 is a failed platform and the only saving grace for it will be the GT500 and that is IF it actually does come out and if it can compete with the competition. So just give it up already. You're not convincing anyone of anything here other than the fact that you don't know much.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

A fully loaded out GT runs $53k. $7k more and you can scoop you up a Zl1. No brainer. I guess the same could be said with the top model SS. Aren't they running low $50's too?

You can get M6 ZL1's for mid 50's right now....

2018 ZL1 M6 - 50k
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6448/overview/

2018 ZL1 M6 - 52k
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...1106/overview/

[BlaqWhole]

From reading this it sure seems that MT thinks the SS is gonna beat out the GT...

"So which one should you bet on the first time these two titans clash? The new Mustang V-8 is tuned to shade the Camaro by 5 hp, but the bigger-lunged Chevy out-torques the Mustang by 35 lb-ft, and they run similar gearing, so expect the Chevy to out-drag the Mustang on the straights. In the corners? Sadly we have no comparative numbers for this generation Mustang GT on a track where we’ve also run a Camaro SS 1LE, and GT350. The best we can do is look at three Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca best-laps set by Randy Pobst, who ran a Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition (444 hp/380 lb-ft) setting a best time of 1:41.06, while the SS 1LE did 1:37.77 and a GT350R ran a 1:36.11. That suggests that the Perf Pack Level 2 needs to bridge 2/3 of the gap between that lower-output (but similarly track-optimized) Boss 302 and the current GT350 in order to match the Chevy. It’s gonna be an interesting battle for sure! Cars are orderable now with deliveries expected in Spring 2018."

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

You can get M6 ZL1's for mid 50's right now....

2018 ZL1 M6 - 50k
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6448/overview/

2018 ZL1 M6 - 52k
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...1106/overview/

Great prices but the manual ZL1 is a stone, better off to pay a few k more and have one that can actually accelerate

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Great prices but the manual ZL1 is a stone, better off to pay a few k more and have one that can actually accelerate

Merry Christmas newmoon.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Great prices but the manual ZL1 is a stone, better off to pay a few k more and have one that can actually accelerate

Did somebody actually write that? Please a ZL1 manual is a "stone"

99.99% of the Camaro and Mustang buy their rides for the street, 95% of the street scene is from a roll. How many Camaros or Mustangs are going to find a ANY ZL1 to go play with. LOL. But with good air and a prep track and ... and ... and ... and ... a fictional made up Mustang is "almost" as fast. Right.

[BlaqWhole]

It might be a "stone" compared to the A10 ZL1. But that just shows how awesome the A10 ZL1 really is. Because by it's own merit the M6 ZL1 is still awesome, bogging issues and all. I'd take one even with the bogging issues over anything Ford has available right now. Plus I'm pretty sure a software update could fix those issues. Maybe a recall at the most.

[BlaqWhole]

LOL!! No more trolls!! The Camaro with the M6 trans kicks the A10 GT's ass and the fanboy-trolls disappear one by one. I have a feeling that they'll be back for the H2H with the PP2 and we'll have to whup on them yet again. But for now they crawled right on back utterly defeated.

I am looking forward to seeing what the PP2 does. I think it might keep up with the 1LE at best. But it won't beat the 1LE. I don't think they'll see a win until the GT500 comes out.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL!! No more trolls!! The Camaro with the M6 trans kicks the A10 GT's ass and the fanboy-trolls disappear one by one. I have a feeling that they'll be back for the H2H with the PP2 and we'll have to whup on them yet again. But for now they crawled right on back utterly defeated.

I am looking forward to seeing what the PP2 does. I think it might keep up with the 1LE at best. But it won't beat the 1LE. I don't think they'll see a win until the GT500 comes out.

I have noticed they've crawled back into their holes. They came over here thinking their precious GT would smash on the Maro. Testing is now starting to come out. They've been silenced. Bigly.

[jmackisback]

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a Rustang troll was stirring, not even a fox9350 or mouse.