[grampa_ss]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

was watching this video and at 1:15 there is a blue 18 GT ... not sure if this happens to be a shop car or private owner but it goes 12.0@117.85 and spins on the 1-2 shift. Bradenton preps well and the d/a should have been good judging by the jackets worn.

I can you one thing for sure....that driver is no rookie. That was a very professional looking burnout. He also left right on the 3rd yellow. Also, chirping 1-2....what stock auto does that?

[Fox9350]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

no matter how big your bias 12.6 is not faster than 12.6 sorry dude

False... Edmunds tested a no option 1SS to a loaded with every option but the ones that improve performance GT and never bothered to even critique those options in their review... excellent reporting imo

Thanks for actually looking into it objectively. These magazines are idiots. They never test apples to apples. I'm sure the navigation and blinking mirrors and adaptive cruise and all that other nonsense really helped the mustang move faster. These idiots shrieking about one test on one day from one site that isn't known for being a performance outlet should be worried. Because those who actually know how to drive the car are going to hit 0-60 in 3.9 or 4.0 not 4.6 and will trap at 120 MPH and that is far higher than the camaro has trapped despite being out for 2 years. They will also be driving a Mustang packged out for performance only and not with 20" rims and other things that only hurt performance. Anyone drawing a conclusion from a single test on a single day is an idiot. Also I didn't read the article yet, was it at least the same driver? Tell me it was at least the same driver.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You mean, as opposed to the SS or GT hand selected for any other magazine time? It's funny some of you are jumping on the "Ford provided a hot car" conspiracy theory's.

I’m not saying hot car. I’m saying they managed who got them first to ensure the most favorable times

[AJL13]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

And what exactly did the SS have that was performance improving? It had all the standard BASE equipment that an SS has when you buy it. Additionally, they started off by saying that these WERE NOT the performance package cars.

Also, the Camaro is a 2SS with the Redline Edition visual upgrades.

"The leather seats in the 2SS give it an unfair performance advantage, definitely not a fair comparo"--Some mustang owner, somewhere.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

I can you one thing for sure....that driver is no rookie. That was a very professional looking burnout. He also left right on the 3rd yellow. Also, chirping 1-2....what stock auto does that?

The MY18 GT stock auto can be seen in many videos chirping the 1-2. I'm not sure if it's just the "drag mode" options or not, but you'll likely start seeing many more within the next month or two.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by islander033

Geeeze, was it so hard to say that you hadn't run it yet? LOL

I already kinda knew that you didn't run it. and

PS. SS and GT are now a drivers race. That's not a bad thing.

One thing I learned from Mustang guys is that if you don't give them a full explanation then they'll twist everything to mean whatever they want it to mean. I say I did an 11.8 and if I don't give details on my run then every fanboy will think the 18 GT is faster...which several of them actually did believe. So I explain things. To explain further, I am on stock Pirelli tires with the HC. And I have the M6 trans. So when I go my goal for my first night will be a 12.4-12.6. From there I'll work it down until the point where I feel the tires are holding me back. At that point I'll switch to a better street tire but no DRs for me. Ultimately my goal will be to hit 11.9 on the stock tires and then a mid 11 on better street tires. And my goal in the ZL1 is to get to an 11.6 in the Summer but driving it the way I have been doing...no launching, no lowering the tire pressure, no LC, none of that.

And yes it is a driver's race from what we are seeing with the M6 vs the A10. I think it will be beyond a driver's race when the A8 is pitted against the A10 and M6 to M6. But not by a whole heck of a lot. The Camaro will be ahead by about 3 tenths unless they can get the GT into the 12.4 range. We'll see.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

The problem with that rationale is that the whole purpose was to test the normal V8 models, which is what most people buy. Most people do not care about the Performance this, 1LE that options... The general masses so to speak...

More to the point, it's not our fault that Ford makes you pay for basic, quality suspensions/braking that come standard on the SS. It's just an excuse. Just like the Lund car not having the Drag mode or whatever other nonsense can be come up with.

I'm not saying you're making an excuse, it's just how it comes across.

And that is the point others have made. That you can get any SS and it'll be low 12 capable as long as the driver can do it. With the GT tho it'll have to be specific options that have specific modes or whatever. That isn't the fault of GM or the testers. They shouldn't have to say "hey we need a GT with this and that and the other thing and such and such mode so we can test it against a run of the mill SS".

Originally Posted by kttxz06

well, to be fair, i was right there with him. I called 12.6. hehe. I agree, keep the trolls coming. This should shut up the.........tune/tire and we'll smoke a Zl1 chatter.

Stealing my spotlight, LOL!!

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I will say that the one thing, that this thread and others like it have brought to light, I truly find disappointing is the knowledge that there are grown adults using "LOL" unironically.

LOL...LOLZ!!

[Fox9350]

Originally Posted by hotlap

If the driver couldn’t launch the A10 efficiently, he’d be worse in the manual SS.

I find it even more laughable that some folks are hanging their hats on the GT A10 hand selected by Ford hero run roll out.

This Edmunds outing is being jumped on because the Ford camp was trolling so hard for a conflict and then a M6 beats the mighty A10. That’s funny stuff

You seem to be ignorant of LMR getting a 12.0x @116 or something and ecobeast getting a 12.1 @119 in BONE STOCK cars (their claims)


Were these hand selected hero cars from Ford too? Denial.

LMR 12.02 @ 117


eocbeast 12.1 @119


Bone stock with people who have barely even made any runs yet. And Edmunds with a horribly packaged car (loaded with junk options) gets a shitty run in and we're going with that. Also of note are all the driving modes the mustang offers, some combos work better than others.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by Fox9350

And Edmunds with a horribly packaged car (loaded with junk options) gets a shitty run in and we're going with that.

Haha, so true.

[Chadicus]

My favorite comment so far is: "The Edmunds tester is a crap driver!" Because crap drivers are faster in manuals than automatics according to Mustang guys.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

You all who are saying that the Mustang is “brand new” and comparing it against “a three year old platform”..

You are aware it’s still a S550 (6th Gen) Mustang, right? It’s not all new, it’s not on a new platform, it’s not a new generation..it’s the same car just with a new variant of the 5.0 and a new automatic transmission. This is more akin to the 2014 Camaro refresh than anything else, except unlike GM they actually improved the power to help close a performance gap.

How funny. Because some time back when I said the 18 GT was the same platform and wasn't anything completely new all the Mustang fanboys said the exact opposite of what you're saying right now. You guys will change your statements to whatever suits you at the moment. SMH.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

You mean, as opposed to the SS or GT hand selected for any other magazine time? It's funny some of you are jumping on the "Ford provided a hot car" conspiracy theory's.

It is more likely than not. 2 guys with DRs get a 12.2 and 12.3 and then this mag pops a 12.6...all of that checks out. What doesn't check out is how this dude managed to get an 11.8 which is 8 tenths faster than Edmunds and 4-5 tenths faster than guys with DRs. That is fishy as all hell. So either he lied, or Ford sent in a ringer (we all know Ford has the capability of tuning their cars to extreme levels), or there is soo much variation across the GTs that some can go 11.8 while others can barely hit low 12s with a tire. Either way something is up with that run and you know it. If it was the Camaro you'd be saying the exact same thing.

[grampa_ss]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

The MY18 GT stock auto can be seen in many videos chirping the 1-2. I'm not sure if it's just the "drag mode" options or not, but you'll likely start seeing many more within the next month or two.

I've seen it too. Just saying...drag mode must really be meant for DR's. If your tires are chirping, you're not getting 100% traction and it'll cost you time.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Fox9350

Thanks for actually looking into it objectively. These magazines are idiots. They never test apples to apples. I'm sure the navigation and blinking mirrors and adaptive cruise and all that other nonsense really helped the mustang move faster. These idiots shrieking about one test on one day from one site that isn't known for being a performance outlet should be worried. Because those who actually know how to drive the car are going to hit 0-60 in 3.9 or 4.0 not 4.6 and will trap at 120 MPH and that is far higher than the camaro has trapped despite being out for 2 years. They will also be driving a Mustang packged out for performance only and not with 20" rims and other things that only hurt performance. Anyone drawing a conclusion from a single test on a single day is an idiot. Also I didn't read the article yet, was it at least the same driver? Tell me it was at least the same driver.

Remember how unfair it was when a SS A8 was compared to a GT PP M6? Yeah...the A8 destroyed the GT...like it should. In this case the SS was the one at a disadvantage... and it won!

Reliving great moments in Mustang history. Enjoy.

[Fox9350]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How funny. Because some time back when I said the 18 GT was the same platform and wasn't anything completely new all the Mustang fanboys said the exact opposite of what you're saying right now. You guys will change your statements to whatever suits you at the moment. SMH.

It is more likely than not. 2 guys with DRs get a 12.2 and 12.3 and then this mag pops a 12.6...all of that checks out. What doesn't check out is how this dude managed to get an 11.8 which is 8 tenths faster than Edmunds and 4-5 tenths faster than guys with DRs. That is fishy as all hell. So either he lied, or Ford sent in a ringer (we all know Ford has the capability of tuning their cars to extreme levels), or there is soo much variation across the GTs that some can go 11.8 while others can barely hit low 12s with a tire. Either way something is up with that run and you know it. If it was the Camaro you'd be saying the exact same thing.

I just posted 2 videos of 12.0x and 12.1 with stock factory tires and stock everything. stop talking about drag radials, you're lying or ignorant.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Fox9350

I just posted 2 videos of 12.0x and 12.1 with stock factory tires and stock everything. stop talking about drag radials, you're lying or ignorant.

You mad bro?