[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Of course I'm a Camaro fan, but on this one I'm calling the Mustang as even, and likely 1 or 2 mph faster in the 1/4.

I'm calling it now. 2018 Mustang magazine tests will put it in the 12.2 - 12.4 range at 116 - 118. Essentially dead tied with the Camaro, but a slightly better top end. This is what the magazines will talk about...that top end, while in the Camaro, they will talk about that low end punch.

The only question remaining is in the handling department, and its here that I think the Camaro will retain the slight edge.

The difference maker in the new Stang is that 10 speed. Not the updated engine.

In 2019 the Camaro will get the 10 speed, and with it will gain 1 or 2 tenths in the quarter and 1 or 2 mph. I'm highly doubtful of a power bump....don't see that one happening.

I doubt the A10 will be THAT much better over the A8. And I doubt GM will put it in the 6th Gen SS. From all that I have seen, the Camaro will be faster. Based off what these tuners and shops have been struggling to accomplish...which individual owners in the SS have been doing with relative ease. If a shop on DRs could barely get a 12.2-12.3, and if the SS has in the past tested to be a 12.3-12.4, then that tells me all I need to know. Especially since we have seen the GT350 do a 12.2 with much more power. Even if it does manage to beat the SS by a small amount then it will still have to prove itself on the track which I don't think it'll hold a candle to the SS. So at the very best the GT will be a one-trick pony that just slightly manages to edge out the SS while still not being able to handle well and being 3 years late to the party and costing more. That is at best. Again, not impressive.

[TEEZYSS]

Talk about history repeating itself... Ford claiming before the car was released sub 4.0 0-60 yet not releasing any videos of said 0-60's showing anything.

Then BAM they come out with a ton of people running 12.3's which is not sub 4.0!!!


Now history!!! In 99 the Cobra was revamped with 320HP and was gonna stop the LS. People bought up the cars and found quickly they were no faster then the previous models. After quite a few dynoed the cars Ford quickly put a performance recall on them where they received a ported stock intake, bigger exhaust and ecu reflash.

Yes I was around and saw the pallets that showed up to the dealership.

So is it so hard to believe that ford made all these claims....11.8@118 stock and sub 4.0 0-60... then release the car and people are clicking 12.3's which is 4.2-4.3 0-60's.

Then they give the editor of a MMFF mag a car not from a local dealer or not someone else car. But a car they sent him to test and BAM!!! Faster then any other stock 18 by a lot. Better 60FT, higher 1/8 mph and all done in a heavier car on street tires... Not like he was slipping a clutch or beating gears

Ya I couldn't see that happen either.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

According to the camaro fanboys, the mustang can only be considered as slow. So they're both slow now.

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Kinda like the 5th gen being a worthless pig when it was a drivers race with an S550. Actually tested quicker in some mags with the ls3 m6 1le.

Mustang fanboys same way

In fact I’d say even worse. The GT has been on the losing side more than not to the same year z28/ss the last two decades. Even when the Camaro was gone the GT never caught up until 2011.

It’s been a rough 25 years for GT fans for the most part. And when a GT performs it really gets their little wee wees rock hard

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Of course I'm a Camaro fan, but on this one I'm calling the Mustang as even, and likely 1 or 2 mph faster in the 1/4.

I'm calling it now. 2018 Mustang magazine tests will put it in the 12.2 - 12.4 range at 116 - 118. Essentially dead tied with the Camaro, but a slightly better top end. This is what the magazines will talk about...that top end, while in the Camaro, they will talk about that low end punch.

The only question remaining is in the handling department, and its here that I think the Camaro will retain the slight edge.

The difference maker in the new Stang is that 10 speed. Not the updated engine.

In 2019 the Camaro will get the 10 speed, and with it will gain 1 or 2 tenths in the quarter and 1 or 2 mph. I'm highly doubtful of a power bump....don't see that one happening.

KM probably has the most level headed view on the matter right here ^

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Then BAM they come out with a ton of people running 12.3's which is not sub 4.0!!!

who are these tons of people? links? Beefcake may be slightly overweight but I wouldnt call him a ton of people

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

apples to oranges. you're using a car with known issues that are causing it to under perform by a large margin and comparing it to a car that has a delta of .16 between its 1st ever outing at a dragstrip and its new "hero time"... ironic considering its 12.00 was its "hero time" just last week. how anyone can call BS on a car going 11.84 when every other car has gone 12.30 or better so far is beyond me.

The point I made however still stands, because it is an accurate comparison. You have all these cars that are just getting X number....all of a sudden, here comes a car that is prepped by the manufacturer, and bam....it gets a time that seems extreme.

If you saw a M6 ZL1 run a 11.1 1/4 mile time and claimed to be bone stock, you'd be flagging that as well...

Originally Posted by TEEZYSS

Talk about history repeating itself... Ford claiming before the car was released sub 4.0 0-60 yet not releasing any videos of said 0-60's showing anything.

Then BAM they come out with a ton of people running 12.3's which is not sub 4.0!!!


Now history!!! In 99 the Cobra was revamped with 320HP and was gonna stop the LS. People bought up the cars and found quickly they were no faster then the previous models. After quite a few dynoed the cars Ford quickly put a performance recall on them where they received a ported stock intake, bigger exhaust and ecu reflash.

Yes I was around and saw the pallets that showed up to the dealership.

So is it so hard to believe that ford made all these claims....11.8@118 stock and sub 4.0 0-60... then release the car and people are clicking 12.3's which is 4.2-4.3 0-60's.

Then they give the editor of a MMFF mag a car not from a local dealer or not someone else car. But a car they sent him to test and BAM!!! Faster then any other stock 18 by a lot. Better 60FT, higher 1/8 mph and all done in a heavier car on street tires... Not like he was slipping a clutch or beating gears

Ya I couldn't see that happen either.

Yeah, definitely could see all that you said. It seems extremely odd that they wouldn't have a car anywhere near Florida, but only in Michigan. The whole thing seems very suspect. If it's legit, I give nothing but props....but we all know that Ford could have tuned the car before it was given over to specs that wont be present on a factory car....

[ULTRAZLS1]

Well ford is based in Michigan. Also the tracks are closed here.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Well ford is based in Michigan. Also the tracks are closed here.

Haha, exactly. Ford didn't have any press vehicles available in Florida. Any way you cut it, it was going to be provided by Ford. This is no different than any other independent magazine reviewing any other vehicle.

Anyone who calls BS on this run as having a ringer will have to call out BS on any other magazine that publishes numbers with vehicles provided from the manufacturer (nearly all of them).

[TEEZYSS]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

who are these tons of people? links? Beefcake may be slightly overweight but I wouldnt call him a ton of people

VMP 12.3@116
BEEFCAKE 12.3@115
CARLYLE RACING 12.3@115
A few FB guys 12.48@115
LETHAL 12.2@116
LUND 12.0@118

And they were all on tire minus the FB guys.

Then we can look at LMR which had tune,weight reduction,drag pack and exhaust mod 11.88@119

Sure seems odd a car that stock as per ford will do sub 4.0 0-60 and run 11.8@118 stock has only had one car do it and the car was sent from ford to the editor of MMFF. But all the other shops and cars bought have come no where close in better conditions on DRAG PACKS.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Haha, exactly. Ford didn't have any press vehicles available in Florida. Any way you cut it, it was going to be provided by Ford. This is no different than any other independent magazine reviewing any other vehicle.

Anyone who calls BS on this run as having a ringer will have to call out BS on any other magazine that publishes numbers with vehicles provided from the manufacturer (nearly all of them).

You know full well, if the shoe was on the other foot, the other forum would be doing the exact same thing.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

[COLOR="blue"][B]You guys need to step back and listen to yourselves. I made that exact point in Fraxums thread last year and got crucified. I also got taught the definition of "capable". Just like in every forum. With the exception of one or two guys that race with regularity. Neither car will sniff an 11 second anything! Hell you have ZL1 drivers in this thread that cant get within a half second of magazine times. It took me a little while to see enough Camaros at the track. Before I would admit they were capable cars. Judging by their trap speeds. Not because I've ever seen an 11 second stock Camaro. The 18 Mustang is trapping 119. You seriously don't believe it's as fast as your Camaros that trap roughly the same. Maybe a little lower on average? Were really going with ford supplied ringers as our go to line? Come on? ecoclown ran a 12.1@119 on his second try at the track. Did he get a ringer also? A ringer would have been letting me drive his car!

Not sure why you quoted me on this. Moving on.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

According to the camaro fanboys, the mustang can only be considered as slow. So they're both slow now.

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[islander033]

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

In for teh butthurtzzzz

Hey Ultra/Hammah!!!

No probs getting your fill of that in here. lol

C6 forum would be burnt to the ground by now if Evan ran an 11.75.

[Evan J. Smith]

Good afternoon everyone, this is my first post and I came on here to clear the air. First and foremost, anything I write, post, or publish is based on fact. I test cars and share the results. I have done this for over 20 years. My background is drag racing—I've been going down the strip since I'm 17 and have raced NHRA Stock Eliminator since 1994.

While I spent most of my time working for Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine, I've tested other brands of vehicles, too. Frankly, I love cars so it doesn't matter to me whether I'm behind the wheel of a Camaro, Mustang, Vette, Viper or whatever, I give it my all to get the best possible elapsed time. Sometimes I find excellent track conditions, sometimes it's 95 degrees out there.

In this case, I ran a fully loaded 2018 Performance Pack GT and I did so without so much as removing a floor mat. The weather hovered just above sea level, front tire pressure was raised to 45 psi, rear TP was between 26-28 depending on what run I made. Engine temp was between 160 and 185. I provided video and reported my every move in a story published here:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...18-mustang-gt/

I did in fact spend mostly all day testing the car in stock trim. Why? I tested launch rpm and the car required a minimum of 30 minutes of cool down for it to maintain peak performance. I also spent time doing photos, including a few magazine cover-style burnout shots, which required setup time.

Here's a few facts: Ford test cars do not come directly from Ford. They are maintained and delivered by a service that deals with the media. Next, was the car a ringer? Some may say yes, but I say no. We all know about tuning, and the folks in the PR department don't have access to "tunes" created just for the media. This is not 1970, where the manufacturer sends a "tuning guru" to the track with the car.

Well, that's about it. I'd be glad to field any questions.

Evan