[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

facts bother you?

Nope, but apparently track rentals bother you. Maybe we should start putting an asterisk next to every 1/4 mile pass done during a track rental.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Nope, but apparently track rentals bother you. Maybe we should start putting an asterisk next to every 1/4 mile pass done during a track rental.

if evan smith took my car to a rented test and tune and ran a good time with it.

yes I would mention it

and it is usually public knowledge when forums put on rentals in good air....so people can get new personal bests.... and everyone knows its a rental.

you dont have a case other than im mentioning a fact that is indeed slight edge and it bothers you because it is still slower than an SS.

hell its usually hundreds of dollars to even get in a rental. why would any one pay that?...lol again at you

I NEVER said it didn't count. I just find it hilarious its still slower than the SS. and you guys chest pounding. its really funny to me

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...18-mustang-gt/

The article

Impressive times for sure.

I recall him running a 12.9 1/4 mile time with a stock 1998 Camaro SS (M6).

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

Impressive times for sure.

I recall him running a 12.9 1/4 mile time with a stock 1998 Camaro SS (M6).

yep


and for YEARS the furd crowd dismissed it as impossible.

WHY YOU SAY?

because it was a track rental with Evan Smith.

now look at these hypocrits. ELLOHHELL

I got the idea to mention track rentals as part of the mustang fanboy excuse handbook. along with sales. displacement and mod for mod

[13vertss]

Ford sent a ringer. You trying to tell me there were no gt’s in The whole state of Florida that they had to go all the way to Michigan?
I’m sure Ford had that car in top notch power shape.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

if evan smith took my car to a rented test and tune and ran a good time with it.

yes I would mention it

and it is usually public knowledge when forums put on rentals in good air....so people can get new personal bests.... and everyone knows its a rental.

you dont have a case other than im mentioning a fact that is indeed slight edge and it bothers you because it is still slower than an SS.

hell its usually hundreds of dollars to even get in a rental. why would any one pay that?...lol again at you

I NEVER said it didn't count. I just find it hilarious its still slower than the SS. and you guys chest pounding. its really funny to me

I don't see any chest thumping. All I see is...everytime the MY18 is ran down the 1/4 mile people comment on the tire pressure, track rental and claim that they somehow cheated to run those times.

Clubs rent tracks all the time as it allows you to get far more runs in than on a crowded track...and at your own pace. The only thing that inherently makes it faster is the ability to test a few more times. More runs means more time to get a handle on launching a new vehicle.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

yep


and for YEARS the furd crowd dismissed it as impossible.

WHY YOU SAY?

because it was a track rental with Evan Smith.

now look at these hypocrits. ELLOHHELL

I got the idea to mention track rentals as part of the mustang fanboy excuse handbook. along with sales. displacement and mod for mod

Hogwash, it was well known LS1's occasionally dipped into the 12's stock. I've known quite a few owners myself that have done it.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I don't see any chest thumping. All I see is...everytime the MY18 is ran down the 1/4 mile people comment on the tire pressure, track rental and claim that they somehow cheated to run those times.

Clubs rent tracks all the time as it allows you to get far more runs in than on a crowded track...and at your own pace. The only thing that inherently makes it faster is the ability to test a few more times. More runs means more time to get a handle on launching a new vehicle.

Well with club rentals you can also have the track cleaned and resprayed more often with less cars (presumably) dragging crap down the track.

There is an advantage to track rentals in that it just means you are more likely to have closer to optimal surface conditions for each run, where you're not always going to get first crack at a repray on an open T&T night.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I would hope so. it was a track rental with evan smith in good air.

maybe in a little better air they can rent him another track and go for the Camaro 11.77 time

ford sure didn't do enough to make ir hard for GM next year. Which really shows how high the 6gen put the bar. how far ahead of the game GM is. a completely new motor and transmission is struggling to overtake GMs 4 year old combo. They could trounce the GT with a power bump and the ten speed. But im not holding my breath on a power bump.

Hard to say with gm. They may be content with still being faster even though it's a lot closer

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I would hope so. it was a track rental with evan smith in good air.

maybe in a little better air they can rent him another track and go for the Camaro 11.77 time

ford sure didn't do enough to make ir hard for GM next year. Which really shows how high the 6gen put the bar. how far ahead of the game GM is. a completely new motor and transmission is struggling to overtake GMs 4 year old combo. They could trounce the GT with a power bump and the ten speed. But im not holding my breath on a power bump.

now that the GTs all run 11.8... with the “right” options

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Hogwash, it was well known LS1's occasionally dipped into the 12's stock. I've known quite a few owners myself that have done it.

Its obviously "hogwash"

that wasn't my point Einstein. I owned and raced an ls1 as well

many of the furd crowd argue to this day the Smith runs were a conspiracy or don't count etc

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Well with club rentals you can also have the track cleaned and resprayed more often with less cars (presumably) dragging crap down the track.

There is an advantage to track rentals in that it just means you are more likely to have closer to optimal surface conditions for each run, where you're not always going to get first crack at a repray on an open T&T night.

You also have more radial (and less bias ply) tires...which tear up the rubber on the starting line.

I'm not discounting the advantage a track rental has, but it does not inherently make it faster. Could it give you a better chance of having optimal conditions? Absolutely. Instead of running an 11.XXX in your first outing, it could take you a few.

But again, that does not somehow mean that an asterisk should be placed next to a run...or that it's somehow faster...as it absolutely is not.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Well of course lots of people know that

you missed the point entirely

I listened to the excuses for years that your boys did the same crap

Having been in most of the mustang forums during the era...frequenting the dragstrip and hanging out with the local (several hundred) car community meets, everyone knew the capability of the LS1.

Any excuses that would have been brought up would be totally dismissed by the populous as pure ignorance. There are bad apples in every group...those that have such brand or purchase bias that even when facts slap them in the face, they refuse to admit what everyone else already knows.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I don't see any chest thumping. All I see is...everytime the MY18 is ran down the 1/4 mile people comment on the tire pressure, track rental and claim that they somehow cheated to run those times.

Clubs rent tracks all the time as it allows you to get far more runs in than on a crowded track...and at your own pace. The only thing that inherently makes it faster is the ability to test a few more times. More runs means more time to get a handle on launching a new vehicle.

Ive never said it was cheating. I never said it didn't count.

Im pointing out the facts of the run

and maybe if every run of the GT lately wasn't in fact at a rental it wouldnt be mentioned as often. and as I said...some of the furd boys own medicine. its probably a lot of these guys giving back the same BS we have heard. from the ls1 days to just recently claiming GM was lying about the 6g times or they were nearly unachievable etc