[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

4 valves doesn't mean anything if the air flow isn't there. 100% volumetric efficiency is the target with some high rpm Engines achieving slightly better due to a ram air effect. most engines are lucky to see 85% VE. i have no clue what the volumetric efficiency is for the 2018 Mustang or Camaro. all things being equal 377 cubic inches will make more torque and hp than 307 cubic inches. the bigger engine will always make more low end torque which is probably why GM chose a taller rear gear ratio for the Camaro. a prime example of this would be the 70 LS6 Chevelle getting a standard gear ratio of 3.31 where the DZ302 equipped Z28 got a 411. the Z28 didn't make any torque below 3000 rpm. Fords lower gear ratios in the Mustang make perfect sense and i highly doubt you'll call those ratios insane when the Camaro gets them next year.

Stock Coyote airflow
Known stock Coyote intake port head flow numbers are 289.4-cfm intake and 201.4-cfm exhaust at .500 inch,

Lt1 airflow
Lift---Intake (cfm)---Exhaust (cfm)
0.100
0.200 151 111
0.300 208 152
0.400 256 174
0.500 294 183
0.600 316 189

so it appears the Mustang might see better port velocity and of course higher rpm capability due to overhead cams where the Camaro has more airflow and bigger CI.

Funny to hear a Challenger owner talking about displacement when Dodge has the largest displacement NA engine in the heaviest Muscle Car which is now the slowest NA Muscle Car of the bunch. The Coyote is now faster or at the very least tied. The SS is faster. Yea keep on talking displacement. Anything other than the Hellcat is a waste.

[Syphon23]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Los racing channel 18 gt walks the camaro from a dig which is real racing. Only nancys roll race but whatever lol

For one on the Dig race it was at most only a car behind and was starting to get reeled in. And the Camaro won the 2 other races.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Found this on his you tube comments about his 11.83 run.

roy richardson bumping front tire pressure to 45psi, lowering the rear tires, icing intake, shallow staging, disconnect front sway bar, removing absolutely everything that doesn’t need to be in the car i.e spare tire, gym bag, floor mats, pressure pump,etc. Evan knows what he’s doing and I’m a fan of his since 1992!

If that really is true, then the car isn't stock.....

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

well then why don't we wait to assume half shafts are an issue until there is evidence instead of assuming one broke so they will all break. as far as the weight and displacement argument I don't think it's nonsense. i posted the flow numbers for the Camaro heads and for the Mustang heads.. do you see a huge advantage in those numbers for the Mustang? i certainly don't. I think it's impressive that a car with more weight and less cubic inches is right there with the Camaro. once again I don't own either one...yet

It’s not just head flow

DOHC with ti vct. Setup to spin high rpm etc. if the coyote was shifted at 6000 rpm it would get stomped. Look at the power and torque if both at 55-6000 rpm. or everywhere up to that point. Lt1 up. Just like the lt1 got nothing for the coyote at 7500 when stock. Completely different design. more hp is created with more rpm. such as formula one cars turning ridiculous rpm making insane power but have nothing downstairs.

To build and setup a pushrod for high rpm is much more costly and would also sacrifice low end even more. It does not have such control of valve events like the coyote.

The entire design is more efficient in using displacement for making power. But that’s not the only factor in making power. If you ask me GM and dodge are doing more with less in every aspect aside from displacement in a far more simplistic and compact design

Also...where are you getting flow numbers for the new 18+ coyote heads? Link?

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Funny to hear a Challenger owner talking about displacement when Dodge has the largest displacement NA engine in the heaviest Muscle Car which is now the slowest NA Muscle Car of the bunch. The Coyote is now faster or at the very least tied. The SS is faster. Yea keep on talking displacement. Anything other than the Hellcat is a waste.

and have you seen me here rambling on and on about how great the Challenger is? umm no. not even close.. evidently reading comprehension isn't your thing today

[ULTRAZLS1]

Scat packs run very close to an SS stock for stock. I had some good runs against a guy when we were both tire and light mods stock tuning. I was about .2 and 2mph advantage at most. Comparing our best 60 fts dead hooking same track same day

if that motor/tranny were in a car 500 lbs lighter dodge would be smoking the ss and the gt with that mill. its very impressive aside from having weak pistons that cant take any boost.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

None of which are a S550.

I've owned a 91 LX, 94 GT, 95 GT, 01 GT, 03 GT, 15 GT...from off the top of my memory. I also owned a 95 Thunderbird, two 95 Mark VIIIs, an 04 F150, and a 2000 Navigator. I know more about Ford than the vast majority of you fanboys that come over here from M6G with the Chevys listed in your sigs that don't exist.


Front sway bar...I EFFING called it, LOL!!n Oldest Mustang trick in the book. Whenever one does a time like that you better believe that sway bar came off.

Yeah not a fan boy not from m6g but i doubt you know more than me when it comes to ford. I grew up in a ford house

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

and have you seen me here rambling on and on about how great the Challenger is? umm no. not even close.. evidently reading comprehension isn't your thing today

Another GT leg humper...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Yeah not a fan boy not from m6g but i doubt you know more than me when it comes to ford. I grew up in a ford house

Which proves you're a Ford boy. Look, I don't care where you grew up. You sat here arguing up and down for pages after I said that GT run was suspect. And come to find out it was. Dude removed the sway bar which I mentioned...among other things he did to the car. And you sat here trying to dispute us. So obviously you don't know much. How many SS runs are done without the sway bar and the entire car stripped of everything in it?

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Which proves you're a Ford boy. Look, I don't care where you grew up. You sat here arguing up and down for pages after I said that GT run was suspect. And come to find out it was. Dude removed the sway bar which I mentioned...among other things he did to the car. And you sat here trying to dispute us. So obviously you don't know much. How many SS runs are done without the sway bar and the entire car stripped of everything in it?

Where is the statement coming from the driver saying he removed the sway bars from the car

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Where is the statement coming from the driver saying he removed the sway bars from the car

Go over to the video and read the comments yourself.

[Steph93lx]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Found this on his you tube comments about his 11.83 run.

roy richardson bumping front tire pressure to 45psi, lowering the rear tires, icing intake, shallow staging, disconnect front sway bar, removing absolutely everything that doesn’t need to be in the car i.e spare tire, gym bag, floor mats, pressure pump,etc. Evan knows what he’s doing and I’m a fan of his since 1992!

Really!! LOL. This comment was pure speculation by a nobody.

In the comments Evan Smith states that the sway bar was intact and all factory equipment was still there. 100% stock.

He use 2 old tricks that I and any drag racer use to get optimum E.T. , just play with air pressure and shallow staging.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Go over to the video and read the comments yourself.

Just did...

[13vertss]

So your going to spend a whole day at a rented track and only adjust tire pressure?