[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Just for the record, it hasnt squeeked out a win YET.

Yes, you are correct. I'm just giving Randy P.'s statement validity at this point out of confidence in his judgement. (despite the official results)

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Just for the record, it hasnt squeeked out a win YET.

It's won the moral victory of winning 2 out of the 3 big comparisons so far hahahahaha

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by LSA

It's silly to blame the loss on worn tires without any objective info on the tires. To go one step further and say the 500 would've won on new tires is silly squared.

If you're going to blame the outcome on the tires then tell us about the tires. What was the tread depth? How many miles were on them (and how many were street vs track). In the various shots where you can see the tires, the tread appears to be quite deep. Provide a decent quality image of the tires.

If there is something that is a point of contention like this, do the best you can to make that point quantifiable and/or well represented.

I love Throttle House's videos, but in this little mistake without much detail on the subject is kind of

[joe944]

The GT500 is a great car for what it is. Much like the ZL1, the handling is going to be more than most people are able to utilize, and the powertrain is excellent.

While the CFTP is cool, I'm not as interested in seeing what it can do as I am the base car. The CFTP is just too much money for not enough real value, unless you are dropping it off in a storage unit to add to the collection. Not sure why it keeps winning these "comfort" tests when it has no rear seats.

The same almost goes for the ZLE, because it has too many drawbacks for a vehicle that's going to be used primarily on the street. The cost makes it a more likely scenario though.

Which makes the base GT500 and A10 ZL1 the "real world" comparison that matters.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

Yah, I know the physical dimensions of the engine are larger and mass is heavier but I was referring to the displacement. I'm simply making the point that predator is, at lease in the context of boost, the better engine. Perhaps I shouldn't have focused on the CI's but it is an honorable mention. Your right, its the total package.

The predator is an amazing engine, no doubt it does a lot with the cubes, but it should out do the lt4 with its small blower and 2015 debut. Compare it to the lt5 and it's a lot more of a fair comparo.

[TRZ06]

I think we are just near the limit of what a rear drive, front engine car can do.

Adding more HP and a quicker tranny helps a little bit, but looking at the bigger picture and we are talking about minor differences.

While the Alpha chassis feels better than the S550 chassis, we are at the limits for the configuration. In order to move the needle forward, you need to start introducing individual wheel torque vectoring.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

Yes, you are correct. I'm just giving Randy P.'s statement validity at this point out of confidence in his judgement. (despite the official results)

And that's fair, I have nothing but respect for Randy.

The ZLE didnt have the track alignment, and I bet the delta with 'new' tires won't be enough to overcome a track aligned ZLE to equal a definite win.

I could be wrong, but I think they are likely dead even with results flip flopping, I could be wrong but I dont see the 500 pulling out a definitive win.

These cars are crazy close in performance, pretty awesome to watch them battle it out.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by joe944

The GT500 is a great car for what it is. Much like the ZL1, the handling is going to be more than most people are able to utilize, and the powertrain is excellent.

While the CFTP is cool, I'm not as interested in seeing what it can do as I am the base car. The CFTP is just too much money for not enough real value, unless you are dropping it off in a storage unit to add to the collection. Not sure why it keeps winning these "comfort" tests when it has no rear seats.

The same almost goes for the ZLE, because it has too many drawbacks for a vehicle that's going to be used primarily on the street. The cost makes it a more likely scenario though.

Which makes the base GT500 and A10 ZL1 the "real world" comparison that matters.

Well said.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

And while I dont want to take anything away from the GT500 CFTP, I would have expected it to dominate the ZLE on the track, not barely squeaking one out. Again, future testing may prove otherwise as it may be a bit premature right now to tell.

It didn't squeak anything out.. yet anyways, there is still time for the gt500 to prove itself as top dog on the track if it actually is. However I think its safe to say at this point, the gt500 wont win on every track.

As a Chevy fan more than Ford fan, though I like all of the big3, I was prepared to eat crow when then gt500 came out as I really should have.. but so far it has to be admitted while the gt500 is impressive the zle is more than holding its own well all things considered... if anything the zl1 squeaked one out on track.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

And that's fair, I have nothing but respect for Randy.

The ZLE didnt have the track alignment, and I bet the delta with 'new' tires won't be enough to overcome a track aligned ZLE to equal a definite win.

I could be wrong, but I think they are likely dead even with results flip flopping, I could be wrong but I dont see the 500 pulling out a definitive win.

These cars are crazy close in performance, pretty awesome to watch them battle it out.

Yea not sure if RP knew about the alignment specs when he made that comment.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Yea not sure if RP knew about the alignment specs when he made that comment.

I'm wondering the same. Maybe James will chime in again to clarify.

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by joe944

The GT500 is a great car for what it is. Much like the ZL1, the handling is going to be more than most people are able to utilize, and the powertrain is excellent.

While the CFTP is cool, I'm not as interested in seeing what it can do as I am the base car. The CFTP is just too much money for not enough real value, unless you are dropping it off in a storage unit to add to the collection. Not sure why it keeps winning these "comfort" tests when it has no rear seats.

The same almost goes for the ZLE, because it has too many drawbacks for a vehicle that's going to be used primarily on the street. The cost makes it a more likely scenario though.

Which makes the base GT500 and A10 ZL1 the "real world" comparison that matters.

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The predator is an amazing engine, no doubt it does a lot with the cubes, but it should out do the lt4 with its small blower and 2015 debut. Compare it to the lt5 and it's a lot more of a fair comparo.

Very good point.

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

It didn't squeak anything out.. yet anyways, there is still time for the gt500 to prove itself as top dog on the track if it actually is. However I think its safe to say at this point, the gt500 wont win on every track.

As a Chevy fan more than Ford fan, though I like all of the big3, I was prepared to eat crow when then gt500 came out as I really should have.. but so far it has to be admitted while the gt500 is impressive the zle is more than holding its own well all things considered... if anything the zl1 squeaked one out on track.

Good points and I agree.