[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Well I speak from my own personal experience having owned them. Define "tons".

While I don't claim others haven't experienced this, I can see that its not such a pervasive issue as there have been no TSB's, recalls, or (most importantly) third party suits in relation.

Yea well I speak from personal experience having owned a 15 GT myself too pal.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of these issues because they are well known. Or perhaps you're just acting like you don't know about them. Seems you Mustang guys get all "I never heard about..." whenever someone brings up a well known problem they have. Anyway, here, read for yourself...

http://forums.corral.net/forums/s550...ion-issue.html

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/M..._driving.shtml



http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...n-60-75-a.html

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/f394/t362998/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mustang/com...ould_i_expect/

It is a VERY well known and very real issue. Many of them have been brought in for it. And there are many other issues with the S550 as well. Hood shaking, tramlining, instability at higher speeds, and a few others. I have 2 friends on my FB who had Mustangs. One was a 16 GT and the other was either a 15 or 16. Both had them taken into the shop for work. One of them got either bought back or the guy traded it in because it had soo many problems and couldn't get it fixed properly. The other had his in the shop for a good few weeks. And there are plenty of other stories as well.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Interested in seeing what Camaro does in a year.

I don't think GM needs to do anything with the SS. I think it was pretty much a success considering how well it performed and how it did everything well. Any upgrades might put it in a price range that will make it unsavory for buyers. Especially since they're almost at base C7 prices as it is. I think they should focus on the Z28 or COPO or ZR1 and let the SS and ZL1 stay where they're at. I don't think Ford can make anything that can keep up with the ZL1 as well as have decent options while keeping it at a competitive price range. Considering how the GT350R was more expensive than the ZL1 and couldn't hold a candle to it. A GT500 that has the power, handling, and options to rival a ZL1 would come in way to high. And the fact that they pushed Ford's hand and made them bring drastic changes to the GT after only 2 model years of the S550 shows how hardcore the Camaro is anyway. Maybe they'll do a refresh in 2020 or something. But they don't need to do much.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea well I speak from personal experience having owned a 15 GT myself too pal.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of these issues because they are well known. Or perhaps you're just acting like you don't know about them. Seems you Mustang guys get all "I never heard about..." whenever someone brings up a well known problem they have. Anyway, here, read for yourself...

http://forums.corral.net/forums/s550...ion-issue.html

https://www.carcomplaints.com/Ford/M..._driving.shtml



http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...n-60-75-a.html

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/f394/t362998/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mustang/com...ould_i_expect/

It is a VERY well known and very real issue. Many of them have been brought in for it. And there are many other issues with the S550 as well. Hood shaking, tramlining, instability at higher speeds, and a few others. I have 2 friends on my FB who had Mustangs. One was a 16 GT and the other was either a 15 or 16. Both had them taken into the shop for work. One of them got either bought back or the guy traded it in because it had soo many problems and couldn't get it fixed properly. The other had his in the shop for a good few weeks. And there are plenty of other stories as well.

The camaro has it's issues as well: ZL1's revving up and accelerating on their own, ZL1's unable to launch, rough idling LT1's, headliners coming cut too short, slow start/no start heat soaked starters, faulty battery cable wires, key fobs failing register leaving drivers stranded, OnStar (nuff said), blinding reflections from gauge cluster trim, seats unable to recline ... etc etc. ..no manufacturer is immune.

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[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I don't think GM needs to do anything with the SS. I think it was pretty much a success considering how well it performed and how it did everything well. Any upgrades might put it in a price range that will make it unsavory for buyers. Especially since they're almost at base C7 prices as it is. I think they should focus on the Z28 or COPO or ZR1 and let the SS and ZL1 stay where they're at. I don't think Ford can make anything that can keep up with the ZL1 as well as have decent options while keeping it at a competitive price range. Considering how the GT350R was more expensive than the ZL1 and couldn't hold a candle to it. A GT500 that has the power, handling, and options to rival a ZL1 would come in way to high. And the fact that they pushed Ford's hand and made them bring drastic changes to the GT after only 2 model years of the S550 shows how hardcore the Camaro is anyway. Maybe they'll do a refresh in 2020 or something. But they don't need to do much.

The S550 went three full model years before face lift. Standard stuff, I'm surprised that's news to you. Ford was so confident, they even just carried over the GT350 without an update, making it 4 model years.

The problems/complaints with the camaro can't be fixed with an update (trunk space, rear seat space, visibilty). That's actually a pretty big problem to have.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Considered, but I think it makes more sense to put a whipple on mine and continue with incremental modifications. I'm a few payments from clear ownership. Selling my current GT and then getting a new PP2 S550 with magneride isn't worth it for me at this point.

I have a BBK Varitune exhaust system which is comparable to the new dual mode exhaust.

More likely to assess the new S650 in 2021 and compare it with whatever Camaro has to offer then, or maybe a Vette.

I'm fairly brand agnostic.

Nice to have several options.

Nothing like that lean release! Congrats!

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The camaro has it's issues as well: ZL1's revving up and accelerating on their own, ZL1's unable to launch, rough idling LT1's, headliners coming cut too short, slow start/no start heat soaked starters, faulty battery cable wires, key fobs failing register leaving drivers stranded, OnStar (nuff said), blinding reflections from gauge cluster trim, seats unable to recline ... etc etc. ..no manufacturer is immune.

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Don't you bring facts in here Zeke!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The camaro has it's issues as well: ZL1's revving up and accelerating on their own

You made that up.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

ZL1's unable to launch

That is an issue with the M6 equipped ZL1 when launching at the track. And it isn't as prevalent as the drivetrain vibrations on the S550s. In fact there are plenty who are launching just fine.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

rough idling LT1's

You made that up.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

headliners coming cut too short

Made up.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

slow start/no start heat soaked starters

You either made that up or you're exaggerating. DFI engines take slightly longer cranking the engine to start up due to the fuel injectors being in the cylinders and being subjected to higher pressures (in a nutshell for the lamen). It is not an issue nor is it anything that is a problem.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

faulty battery cable wires

You made this up too.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

key fobs failing register leaving drivers stranded

Made up. I never heard of this.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

OnStar (nuff said)

There is nothing wrong with OnStar. Most people don't like it due to their driving reports and that is it. There are no other complaints about it.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

blinding reflections from gauge cluster trim

You made that up. There are no blinding reflection in the gauge clusters.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

seats unable to recline

The seats do not recline back that much as compared to the 5th Gens. I heard people make mention of it but no real complaints. The car is built for a specific purpose and as such, weight and size has to be cut from it. So there is limited room in the interior compared to the outgoing Gen. Now if you're carting along 3 other people who all happen to be over 6ft then I can see it being a problem. If you're homeless then I can see it being a problem. If you're driving it across the country then I can see it being a problem. Otherwise I'm not seeing an issue and I'm 6'2".

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

no manufacturer is immune.

The issues with the S550 that I listed are well known and can be found easily with a Google search. The issues you listed, well I have no idea where you got them from but these are made up BS that you came up with. If you have links to all these complaints then please share it with us.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The problems/complaints with the camaro can't be fixed with an update

Because the problems you listed don't exist.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

Don't you bring facts in here Zeke!

Not facts, these are made up BS garbage that he invented or that he heard one person make mention of at some point and is now spouting it like it's an issue. But please, by all means prove me wrong and post links to all these issues. I already posted several links about the S550 drivetrain vibrations. Here are more.

Tramlining
http://www.gt350.org/forum/40-mustan...g-kill-me.html

Tramlining...3rd comment down.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...gt350-146.html

Tramlining. Even on the Hellcat forums (8th or 9th post down)
http://www.hellcat.org/threads/shelb....118305/page-4

Even Maxim makes mention of the tramlining.
https://www.maxim.com/rides/ford-she...mustang-2016-4

Tramlining again
https://www.svtperformance.com/forum...sions.1128787/

Had enough about tramlining? Ok then lets move on to the hood shaking issues.

https://mustangforums.com/forum/5-0l...gh-speeds.html

https://www.svtperformance.com/forum...peeds.1076592/

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ood-issue.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mustang/com...od_on_my_s550/

There is more but you get the point. Oh, and what about the weak trans?

https://mustangforums.com/forum/the-...-please-2.html

https://mechanics.stackexchange.com/...d-when-i-shift

https://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang...unk-sound.html

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/f358/t364437/

http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124161

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You made that up.

That is an issue with the M6 equipped ZL1 when launching at the track. And it isn't as prevalent as the drivetrain vibrations on the S550s. In fact there are plenty who are launching just fine.

You made that up.

Made up.

You either made that up or you're exaggerating. DFI engines take slightly longer cranking the engine to start up due to the fuel injectors being in the cylinders and being subjected to higher pressures (in a nutshell for the lamen). It is not an issue nor is it anything that is a problem.

You made this up too.

Made up. I never heard of this.

There is nothing wrong with OnStar. Most people don't like it due to their driving reports and that is it. There are no other complaints about it.

You made that up. There are no blinding reflection in the gauge clusters.

The seats do not recline back that much as compared to the 5th Gens. I heard people make mention of it but no real complaints. The car is built for a specific purpose and as such, weight and size has to be cut from it. So there is limited room in the interior compared to the outgoing Gen. Now if you're carting along 3 other people who all happen to be over 6ft then I can see it being a problem. If you're homeless then I can see it being a problem. If you're driving it across the country then I can see it being a problem. Otherwise I'm not seeing an issue and I'm 6'2".


The issues with the S550 that I listed are well known and can be found easily with a Google search. The issues you listed, well I have no idea where you got them from but these are made up BS that you came up with. If you have links to all these complaints then please share it with us.

Because the problems you listed don't exist.

LOL!

You should read the threads in the forums, you'll be surprised. Don't be quick to dismiss all the issues people are dealing with.


BlaqWhole talking about the camaro:


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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

LOL!

You should read the threads in the forums, you'll be surprised. Don't be quick to dismiss all the issues people are dealing with.


BlaqWhole talking about the camaro:


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Right. Well since you have no links to all these reports then I guess we'll just have to take your word for it.

[2011shelby]

Not made up.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480598
Launch issue
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=498180
Rough idle don’t seem to be a common issue.
Headliner issues
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...ight=Headliner
Slow start issue
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...ght=Slow+start
I believe the battery cable issue was mostly on 5th gen cars.

More info can be found in Camaro issues section.

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

LOL!

You should read the threads in the forums, you'll be surprised. Don't be quick to dismiss all the issues people are dealing with.


BlaqWhole talking about the camaro:


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LOL! There's a section on this forum yet to be visited by him, or avoided on purpose.

[Bluecyclone]

I've owned a 16 GT base model for a year now and have no vibration problems. My alignment from the factory was a little off,and the headlights are not aimed correctly. See sig for mods as to driveline, I did an X-pipe so I could hear my pony. This pissing match is childish, let's enjoy our experience and share knowledge.

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by Bluecyclone

I've owned a 16 GT base model for a year now and have no vibration problems. My alignment from the factory was a little off,and the headlights are not aimed correctly. See sig for mods as to driveline, I did an X-pipe so I could hear my pony. This pissing match is childish, let's enjoy our experience and share knowledge.

Best time to be a car guy right now no matter your preference.