[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

No. You're just at one of the fastest tracks in the country. Tracks like atco is where stock 6gens run high 11s

Again. It was an auto s550 with drag pack and tune. No spinning. Dead hooking. The car had nothing left in it sorry.

I am sure you knew your own car.

Blue is true and so is 12.4 stock (2 S550s and a 2013 with alot of practice and a 3.55 gear.) and a number of 12.2s with the last S550 with just DRs, add all 3 did 11.9s with just DRs and a mail order tune. These times are rare granted. Is Pat the fastest stock/mild bolt-on Mustang driver in the nation? He is 70+. He could be! My buddy, I will have to let him know. So much for the younger generations superiority.

Red could be true but I have never seen it there as often as I go. I rarely see any CA6 SSes any more. And a stock SS 11.9 ET is a very rare beast too, just like Pat's times.

But back on topic. I think the 2018 GT changes will level the playing field IF the GT has the $4K performance package. At Chevy the same performance is cheaper. The SS is a stellar handler and drag/track ride with no options. We will see if Ford matched that.

Cant wait for:

2018 Base GT Vs Base SS Comparison
and
2018 PP GT Vs 1LE

I couldn't care less about magazine ETs. Show me the slips!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I am sure you knew your own car.

Blue is true and so is 12.4 stock (2 S550s and a 2013 with alot of practice and a 3.55 gear.) and a number of 12.2s with the last S550 with just DRs, add all 3 did 11.9s with just DRs and a mail order tune. These times are rare granted. Is Pat the fastest stock/mild bolt-on Mustang driver in the nation? He is 70+. He could be! My buddy, I will have to let him know. So much for the younger generations superiority.

Red could be true but I have never seen it there as often as I go. I rarely see any CA6 SSes any more.

But back on topic. I think the 2018 GT changes will level the playing field IF the GT has the $4K performance package. At Chevy the same performance is cheaper. The SS is a stellar handler and track ride with no options. We will see if Ford matched that.

Cant wait for:

Base GT Vs Base SS Comparison
and
PP GT Vs 1LE

12.3 is the current fastest time on the entire list at m6g. Then a 12.5. Then everyone else is 12.7 or higher. We have 4 stock cars at 11.9

Yeah pats one of the fastest in the country. Because he's at one of the fastest tracks in the country.

As I said where I run even in good DA it's about 3 tenths behind atco. It's absolutely impossible for a gt to run 12.3 here. I witnessed a modded one barely touch that dead hooking all night. And a gt350 trap a best of 114.
I've got a lot more to tuning to do and still other things but all it would take to get my 10 second pass would be a trip to the east coast this fall I guarantee it.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Hmm. I just priced out an A10 GT PP for a friend @ $41,585. How do we know less performance yet? LOL

Technically there is no direct comparison on price for the 2.

1) The 1LE has NPP and MRC standard (not to mention eLSD which the Mustang doesn't have).

2) To add Active Exhaust or MRC on the Mustang, you have to add the 301A package. When bumps the cost to with both to $43K for an M6. That's near identical to the 1SS 1LE. There's of course some difference on both ends.

Considering they are having to make up for the gap in handling between a plain SS and the GT PP, I don't see the '18 getting close to the price/performance the 1LE has in handling. Maybe the rumored PP2.

[2010SLVRBULIT]

..can't wait, looks good in person(last Autoshow). Better looking than the current model, imo. But might have to wait for the G6 'refresh' to make the decision.

[plusmiles]

Originally Posted by show7ime

So you mean to tell me that the prices increase on the base GT and throughout the GT lineup considerably ... and the only way to achieve SS level of performance is to get the PP AND utilize a drag strip mode?

Get in a Camaro and just drive. That seems simple and more fun.

There you go, nuf said.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Hmm. I just priced out an A10 GT PP for a friend @ $41,585. How do we know less performance yet? LOL

If you build the GT to the specs of the 1le, it's cost much more and still don't have Recaros.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by jonny5cam

The Alpha Chassis more than makes up for 5 hp. Oh, and the fomoco is still 30 down on tq.

30 tq may seem like a decent amount on paper. But since the Mustang has the advantage of spinning over 15% faster (7500 rpm vs 6500 rpm), the Mustang could make the equivalent of 485 tq after torque multiplication with equal gearing. We'll have to see how Ford decides to use the advantage the 5.0 has over the 6.2 LT1.

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[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

30 tq may seem like a decent amount on paper. But since the Mustang has the advantage of spinning over 15% faster (7500 rpm vs 6500 rpm), the Mustang could make the equivalent of 485 tq after torque multiplication with equal gearing. We'll have to see how Ford decides to use the advantage the 5.0 has over the 6.2 LT1.

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Get that higher RPM torque multiplication out of here.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

No. You're just at one of the fastest tracks in the country. Tracks like atco is where stock 6gens run high 11s

Again. It was an auto s550 with drag pack and tune. No spinning. Dead hooking. The car had nothing left in it sorry.

No doubt. But lil details like that don't stop any of you from calling the Camaro a 11.9 car. The reality is in normal conditions it's 12.3-12.4. With the 8speed automatic. I'm at Atco a lot and never witnessed an 11.9 stock Camaro run. I don't deny that they don't exist. Just extremely rare. Even under perfect conditions.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

No doubt. But lil details like that don't stop any of you from calling the Camaro a 11.9 car. The reality is in normal conditions it's 12.3-12.4. With the 8speed automatic. I'm at Atco a lot and never witnessed an 11.9 stock Camaro run. I don't deny that they don't exist. Just extremely rare. Even under perfect conditions.

Best run ive seen stock is a 12.1. DA was about +500.

I never ran my car stock but I got it down to 11.6@118 with just drag pack, cai and ptb. No tune. DA was -400

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

Also, those of you with A10 ZL1s.. Have fun at your local auto parts store.. I've already had to have "the talk" with a couple about how I'm not wrong, yes I know this is a Ford designation, here, let me tell you a little story about two giants.

I have no idea what this means...

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

No doubt. But lil details like that don't stop any of you from calling the Camaro a 11.9 car. The reality is in normal conditions it's 12.3-12.4. With the 8speed automatic. I'm at Atco a lot and never witnessed an 11.9 stock Camaro run. I don't deny that they don't exist. Just extremely rare. Even under perfect conditions.

I've never seen ANY of these hero runs for a Mustang or a Camaro. Best I have seen a bone stock S550 GT run is a 12.9 while a low 12 is the best I've ever seen a bone stock 6th Gen SS run.

[KyleL]

Had a bone stock a8 down here run 11.9 too at scr. I've been going to that track for 15 years and never ran in negative air.....****in sucks lol

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

What exactly did the 10 speed do for the ZL1? As I recall its only major improvement is on the track not the strip. For example the ZO6 with A8 ran 11.2@127mph in MT hands. The ZL1 with A10 ran 11.5@125mph. That's exactly the difference you would expect for an almost 400lbs difference. So it didn't make the ZL1 perform more than the raw numbers suggest. Now if they had thrown a 3.XX axle ratio at it, that would be another story.

A6 to A10 is a huge jump in gearing. A8 to A10 is not though. So don't think the Camaro jumping to an A10 next year is going to make a real difference(likely only in MPG). A little power bump and the A10 with some more aggressive axle ratio, now that would put some hurt on.


*Edit: WTH happened to Mustang Fanboy? He's been suspended for what?

Match the tire brand (Michelin) and the 325 30 20 size on the ZL1 that is on the Z06 , watch the et drop. The goodyear F1 gen 3 tires were made for the ZL1, but even the Michelin pilot sport 4s does a better job, forget about the cup tires on a Z06/Z07 . Its well known the 8 speed in the C7 is a notch or two below par compared to the 10 speed in the ZL1

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Match the tire brand (Michelin) and the 325 30 20 size on the ZL1 that is on the Z06 , watch the et drop. The goodyear F1 gen 3 tires were made for the ZL1, but even the Michelin pilot sport 4s does a better job, forget about the cup tires on a Z06/Z07 . Its well known the 8 speed in the C7 is a notch or two below par compared to the 10 speed in the ZL1

And ZO6 has problems putting the power down. It's been mentioned in essentially every review. Maybe it's not the tires but the chassis. We also know the alpha in the Camaro has been said be very good at putting the power down with the GYs. So that would leave us with the weight difference which supports the ETs and mph. If the ZL1 was running in the 10s I would be inclined to believe the A10 made a noticeable difference. As it stands we won't know for sure until the A10 is in both.