[TECHTURTLE]

Originally Posted by TigerCamaro

I'll give it a try:
I do not regret the purchase.

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I had Borla S-Type exhaust on my 2013 Camaro and the drone was insane on the highway. Have they taken care of that for the Gen6?

[Corktard]

Thank you guys. I guess I will bite the bullet. I way over analyze things. Pretty excited about it.

[TigerCamaro]

Originally Posted by TECHTURTLE

I had Borla S-Type exhaust on my 2013 Camaro and the drone was insane on the highway. Have they taken care of that for the Gen6?

For cars with NPP, the valves close at highway speeds so there is no drone at all. This is good if you don't want drone, it is bad if you want loud exhaust while cruising. Also, cars with automatic have AFM valves that close when in 4cyl mode which quiets things down even more. I keep my NPP valves open most of the time and you really notice the AFM. I cannot comment on cars without NPP

[gdgraph]

Hey dude, if you like how my set up sounds (loudness wise) but only want to do the axle back I would definitely recommend going with the Atak, it's a bit louder and the exhaust note is slightly different but it sounds great also.

Unfortunately I don't have sound clips of just the axle back because I only had them on the car for a few days before I added the mid pipes but I can confirm that the way it sounds on my you tube video with the mid-pipes is much different from when I had just the axle back. The only way I can describe it with words is that it got a little deeper, little louder, and it just sounded like it opened things up down there. If I were only doing an axle back I'd prob bump up to the Atak to get that extra volume.

The Borla sounds clips were great, but yes those are cat back systems so it's hard to compare how they will sound with an axle-back.

Originally Posted by Corktard

I'm looking real hard at the borla S Type axleback for my 2016 Camaro SS. I see several videos posted on YouTube with the S-Type. I'm looking for some fly bys and both cruzing speed and higher rpm. I'm very close to pulling the trigger, but have not physically Heard and gen 6 with an exhaust. Looking for something louder, deeper and something sounding good. I think the atak is a bit to much for me. There is a video by Gary De Graff on YouTube (blue camaro) but has a mid pipe an X pipe. Love the sound of that car, but looking to compare it to an axleback system.

[megaphone]

Originally Posted by gdgraph

Hey dude, if you like how my set up sounds (loudness wise) but only want to do the axle back I would definitely recommend going with the Atak, it's a bit louder and the exhaust note is slightly different but it sounds great also.

Unfortunately I don't have sound clips of just the axle back because I only had them on the car for a few days before I added the mid pipes but I can confirm that the way it sounds on my you tube video with the mid-pipes is much different from when I had just the axle back. The only way I can describe it with words is that it got a little deeper, little louder, and it just sounded like it opened things up down there. If I were only doing an axle back I'd prob bump up to the Atak to get that extra volume.

The Borla sounds clips were great, but yes those are cat back systems so it's hard to compare how they will sound with an axle-back.

With your stock midpipe did you delete the secondary cats? I'm trying to justify buying midpipes if the only difference is the secondary cat really, since mishimoto already confirmed the crimp in the stock exhaust doesn't inhibit flow.

[gdgraph]

No, I did not delete the secondary cats. They have 4 options for the mid pipes, cat delete, no secondary cat delete, and then each one you can get it with or without the AFM valves.

I have the 60610 which does not delete secondary cat but it does have the AFM valves.

I did not do the mid pipes for the added power, I did it for the sound, it's much more aggressive sounding this way, but to be honest I think the axle-back Atack would be very comparable in loudness to my S-type with mid-pipes. I was just nervous to do Atak because I had a bad experience with magnaflow so I didn't want to pick the loudest options, but now that I've had the S-type I think it would have been fine with the Atak!

I have even considered posting a thread looking to trade my axle back w/NPP for someone that bought the Atak w/NPP that wants something quieter, but have been busy working on some other stuff on my car so haven't gotten around to it yet.

Originally Posted by megaphone

With your stock midpipe did you delete the secondary cats? I'm trying to justify buying midpipes if the only difference is the secondary cat really, since mishimoto already confirmed the crimp in the stock exhaust doesn't inhibit flow.

[gdgraph]

Yes, they fixed the Drone!

In fact I think Borla probably has the least amount of drone out of any of the after market exhausts you can get on the 6th gen other than Corsa, but Corsa doesn't have an NPP option otherwise I woulda went with them.

Originally Posted by TECHTURTLE

I had Borla S-Type exhaust on my 2013 Camaro and the drone was insane on the highway. Have they taken care of that for the Gen6?

[megaphone]

Originally Posted by gdgraph

No, I did not delete the secondary cats. They have 4 options for the mid pipes, cat delete, no secondary cat delete, and then each one you can get it with or without the AFM valves.

I have the 60610 which does not delete secondary cat but it does have the AFM valves.

I did not do the mid pipes for the added power, I did it for the sound, it's much more aggressive sounding this way, but to be honest I think the axle-back Atack would be very comparable in loudness to my S-type with mid-pipes. I was just nervous to do Atak because I had a bad experience with magnaflow so I didn't want to pick the loudest options, but now that I've had the S-type I think it would have been fine with the Atak!

I have even considered posting a thread looking to trade my axle back w/NPP for someone that bought the Atak w/NPP that wants something quieter, but have been busy working on some other stuff on my car so haven't gotten around to it yet.

Nice! Is the Borba midpipe 3"? I just thought the stock pipes were straight piped already sans the secondary cat but could be wrong.

[gdgraph]

No theses mid pipes are the same size as stock (2.75") you get a deeper sound with these because the diameter is consistent all the way through (and no crushed sections), it's all mandrel bent, and it's a high flow xpipe (the stock xpipe is a cheap stamped xpipe).

I went with this set up more for sound than power because I wanted a good sound with no drone and something not annoying if I ever had to daily drive it.

If you have big plans to to FI or internals and plan to do headers you may want to find a 3" system instead. If you just want loud and want to save money you could just do the Atak axle backs and call it a day instead of messing with mid pipes.

Here are some pics of the 60610 and the stock set up is down on post #11: http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476664

Originally Posted by megaphone

Nice! Is the Borba midpipe 3"? I just thought the stock pipes were straight piped already sans the secondary cat but could be wrong.

[gdgraph]

Also here is the install guide for the mid pipes, if you scroll through the pdf you'll see sketches of the various options so you'll know which ones have AFM valves and which ones delete secondary cats and which ones don't:

https://www.borla.com/60610.pdf

[Corktard]

Originally Posted by gdgraph

Hey dude, if you like how my set up sounds (loudness wise) but only want to do the axle back I would definitely recommend going with the Atak, it's a bit louder and the exhaust note is slightly different but it sounds great also.

Unfortunately I don't have sound clips of just the axle back because I only had them on the car for a few days before I added the mid pipes but I can confirm that the way it sounds on my you tube video with the mid-pipes is much different from when I had just the axle back. The only way I can describe it with words is that it got a little deeper, little louder, and it just sounded like it opened things up down there. If I were only doing an axle back I'd prob bump up to the Atak to get that extra volume.

The Borla sounds clips were great, but yes those are cat back systems so it's hard to compare how they will sound with an axle-back.

I watched one video of the atak axleback and it sounded stupid loud. Prob a bit much for me. Listening to sound on video is very difficult to tell how it is in person. With that said you explained the S-Type perfect to someone who has not heard one. Would you say the S/Type axleback is significantly louder that the stock NPP with the valves open?

[gdgraph]

On start up and higher revs the S Type is significantly louder than the stock NPP. When you are just cruising on the highway you won't really hear a huge difference. You're best bet is to try to find someone local who has an S type or Atak and hear it in person even if it's on a different but similar V8 car to get the loudness factor, but as far as exhaust note sound, the videos are pretty accurate. It also sounds much louder from outside of the car than when you are driving it so some videos make them seem ridiculously loud but from inside they are still manageable.

Originally Posted by Corktard

I watched one video of the atak axleback and it sounded stupid loud. Prob a bit much for me. Listening to sound on video is very difficult to tell how it is in person. With that said you explained the S-Type perfect to someone who has not heard one. Would you say the S/Type axleback is significantly louder that the stock NPP with the valves open?

[Corktard]

Perfect, thank you

[Grey_AF]

So, if i can add my opinion of the S-Type, Ive had the Catback with secondary cat delete for about 2000 miles. Every phase of driving, besides cruise is much louder than stock NPP. I think the volume is perfect, yet it is very deceptive from inside the car. The dampening Chevy did is so good that you think the exhaust isnt loud enough. But everyday I am reminded by pedestrians that the car is quite loud. My wife thinks Im speeding down our street everyday, yet I never break 20 mph. If you want the full effect, just put down the back seat. That always reminds me how loud the system is.

Also, no drone whatsoever, and the sound is very very deep and aggressive. I too have wondered if the ATAK would have been the better choice, but honestly I didnt want to flirt with any kind of high pitch or hollow sound. When I purchased the S-Type I was willing to sacrifice 4-5 dB for a deeper and more refined sound. My coworker with a 2016 Mustang 5.0 with Roush axle back even admired the Borla system and claimed it sounded very deep compared to NPP, and he quoted "thats the perfect sound, just the right amount of volume and tone".

Its a "grown-ups" system guys, but it def matches our Gen6 Camaro's new street swag of being a more refined sports car. The quality is second to none and everyone knows of Borla's reputation.

Hope this helps all in question on what system to get!