[Goobaba]

I think the main point of the article isn't trashing the 2.0, its making the case for the V6...

The v6 is a <$1500 option and makes 60hp more. To gain that on the aftermarket, you would need at least an exhaust, intake, and tune which even on the cheapest side of the market would be greater than the price difference.

Thats not even mentioning the benefits the V6 has such as using regular fuel and making a great noise.

The tuner argument doesn't even look like a sound proposition anyways. To make significantly more horsepower than the v6, you're talking several thousand dollars, getting damn near the entry price of the SS. Thats factory warrantied horsepower and reliability.

Nobody has made big power in the turbo 4 yet, so this is mostly conjecture. At this time next year, the aftermarket for the 4 and 6 will be more robust and time will tell which is the better option.

[Goobaba]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Forced induction kits are difficult to justify on the V6 when you can likely just get into an SS for the same or similar money, but it will be unique. Not sure about 6th gen yet, but on the 5th gen, any boosted V6 was pretty much faster than a stock SS as well.

That's why the tuner argument doesn't make sense, to get to SS power from the 4 would require close to the price difference in the two models. And at that point, who would pick the 4 over the SS?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Goobaba

I think the main point of the article isn't trashing the 2.0, its making the case for the V6...

The v6 is a <$1500 option and makes 60hp more. To gain that on the aftermarket, you would need at least an exhaust, intake, and tune which even on the cheapest side of the market would be greater than the price difference.

Thats not even mentioning the benefits the V6 has such as using regular fuel and making a great noise.

The tuner argument doesn't even look like a sound proposition anyways. To make significantly more horsepower than the v6, you're talking several thousand dollars, getting damn near the entry price of the SS. Thats factory warrantied horsepower and reliability.

Nobody has made big power in the turbo 4 yet, so this is mostly conjecture. At this time next year, the aftermarket for the 4 and 6 will be more robust and time will tell which is the better option.

You haven't looked around at what modern turbo 4 motors can do lately have you? You might be surprised. The LGX has noticeably less TQ than the LTG too. And that difference becomes even greater as the LTG ups boost. Don't forget it isn't just the price difference from 2.0T LT to SS, it's all the increased costs of ownership as well.

But I completely agree with the sound and fuel costs vs the V6.

[ThatRedFirebird]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Just curious, but how much (safe) power could one expect to make with that budget on the Camaro 2.0? Would it really push 450 - 500 HP?

450-ish (sometimes more sometimes less) crank HP was basically the minimum power to expect from any of the (few) turbo kits available for the 5th gen V6. I'm not saying a turbo 4 cylinder can't get there...of course they can, but we are talking a base kit for the V6. No drivetrain/engine beefing up required. I only remember one person blowing up his engine b/c of a crap tune.

Put forged rods and pistons in the V6 to make it safe for more boost(crank was factory forged), suddenly your into the 550 - 600 HP range. Hell, one member had this done, with a supplement fuel setup, a custom dual turbo kit, and was pushing 700 HP.

Forced induction kits are difficult to justify on the V6 when you can likely just get into an SS for the same or similar money, but it will be unique. Not sure about 6th gen yet, but on the 5th gen, any boosted V6 was pretty much faster than a stock SS as well.

Does anybody know what the stock trans can hold in the 8L45? The ATS had the six speed until this year and that was only rated for like 330 ft-lbs. I know it's steeply geared in the 8L45 so maybe it has an insanely high ceiling.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ThatRedFirebird

Does anybody know what the stock trans can hold in the 8L45? The ATS had the six speed until this year and that was only rated for like 330 ft-lbs. I know it's steeply geared in the 8L45 so maybe it has an insanely high ceiling.

Believe the 45 stands for 450N m.....so 331.90296705 ft lbs

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Goobaba

I think the main point of the article isn't trashing the 2.0, its making the case for the V6...

The v6 is a <$1500 option and makes 60hp more. To gain that on the aftermarket, you would need at least an exhaust, intake, and tune which even on the cheapest side of the market would be greater than the price difference.

Thats not even mentioning the benefits the V6 has such as using regular fuel and making a great noise.

The tuner argument doesn't even look like a sound proposition anyways. To make significantly more horsepower than the v6, you're talking several thousand dollars, getting damn near the entry price of the SS. Thats factory warrantied horsepower and reliability.

Nobody has made big power in the turbo 4 yet, so this is mostly conjecture. At this time next year, the aftermarket for the 4 and 6 will be more robust and time will tell which is the better option.

It's not all about horsepower. Torque is very important. And the turbo 4 starts out with more torque than the V6. A tune for the turbo, alone, would do wonders. I would even say with equal drivers, a tuned turbo 4 would beat the v6 in a straight line and on a road course.

As for your sound comment, and it being a benefit for the v6 over the turbo 4, is all personal preference, but I love the sound of a turbo 4 over any NA v6.

[Boilermaker128]

I'd take the sound of a turbo 4cyl with a VTA BOV over an NA v6. Unfortunately Trifecta is charging $700 USD for a Camaro tune...The Cobalt LNF tune was like $250, and $100 for the transfer cable. They were the #1 choice during the beginning, until people found out you can gain more power through HP tuners(a lot more $). Then Trifecta slowed down its responses with LNF customers. Takes awhile to get a re-tune.

[Goobaba]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You haven't looked around at what modern turbo 4 motors can do lately have you? You might be surprised. The LGX has noticeably less TQ than the LTG too. And that difference becomes even greater as the LTG ups boost. Don't forget it isn't just the price difference from 2.0T LT to SS, it's all the increased costs of ownership as well.

But I completely agree with the sound and fuel costs vs the V6.

You do have a good point over the increased cost of ownership. But at least some of that is made back. The SS will have a much better resale value compared to the 4 or 6.

[Goobaba]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

As for your sound comment, and it being a benefit for the v6 over the turbo 4, is all personal preference, but I love the sound of a turbo 4 over any NA v6.

Originally Posted by Boilermaker128

I'd take the sound of a turbo 4cyl with a VTA BOV over an NA v6.

I love the noise of a turbo 4 as much as the next guy. My last car was a Buick Verano Turbo. But you're absolutely crazy if you think the t4 in the Camaro sounds better than the v6. Thats one of the best sounding v6's available today!

[DeliveryMan]

Originally Posted by Goobaba

I love the noise of a turbo 4 as much as the next guy. My last car was a Buick Verano Turbo. But you're absolutely crazy if you think the t4 in the Camaro sounds better than the v6. Thats one of the best sounding v6's available today!

The V6 in the Camaro sounds pretty damn good to me also.

[Ace01]

I disagree. the 2.0 with RS and performance package is 15 grand less than a 2SS. You get the same looks and interior goodies for 15 grand less! Soon they will have performance upgrades to the 2.0 so it can pump out 325 HP on 92 pump gas. Also it has a 50/50 weight distribution.

[Ace01]

Originally Posted by ender2664

The last sentence of the Car and Driver article is beautiful!

At least motor trend disagree

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2016/

[Ace01]

Originally Posted by ender2664

The last sentence of the Car and Driver article is beautiful!

Funny Car and Drive liked the 2.0 in this article?? http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review