[shaffe]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Funny reads over at the other forum. Not much for them to say other than it is ugly and always will be ugly as compared to the GT350. I can't wait for the next H2H which will compare the 1LE to their prized GT350TP. I will bet that Chevy has made certain this car competes very well.

Originally Posted by SuperSound

So the fact the acceleration rates are identical to a 1SS M6 means the GT350 has an advantage in speed? Power to weight comes into play here and the GT350 is noticeably heavy, especially with the TP. There is no logical reason to believe the base GT350 is faster on the track than a 1SS. The parts list of the base cars lacks anything (beyond power train) better than a GT PP. So what is it that makes everyone think it's so much better? The GT350 TP is the one the 1LE will be out to beat. And based on the SS numbers, it won't need much to shut it down.

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So basically you guys are saying you want the 1LE to be as fast the Z/28 then. If it can beat the GT350TP, then it will be right there/faster than the Z/28. Because looking at the only numbers we have for the 350TP, Z/28 and 350R the Z was faster than the TP car by 2 seconds or so IIRC and if you guys are confident it will beat the TP then you guys are saying it should be faster than or just as fast as the Z/28?


That would be quite the feat for a sub 50K car

[Waiting46]

I don't think its that unattainable
The 2016 SS used the 1LE as a benchmark, the 201X Z/28 -- ZL1 will use the Z/28 as a starting point; the new 1LE will have to be somewhere in-between them, and Id bet the Camaro engineers would be trying to out-do themselves using the 2015 Z/28 as a benchmark for their new 1LE

[6spdhyperblue]

how long was the gen5 chassis on the road before the 1LE was out?

[aa406079]

I find it encouraging that the Z51 package allows for the option of Magride.

There is alot of passionate debate here on which is better.

I for one hope EVERYONE gets their wish by making it an option....

Those that have mirror smooth roads or trailer their car to the track are happy, those that want the best street handling daily driven camaro will be happy.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by aa406079

I find it encouraging that the Z51 package allows for the option of Magride.

There is alot of passionate debate here on which is better.

I for one hope EVERYONE gets their wish by making it an option....

Those that have mirror smooth roads or trailer their car to the track are happy, those that want the best street handling daily driven camaro will be happy.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Nicul15

how long was the gen5 chassis on the road before the 1LE was out?

It came out for the 2013 model year, so three years.

Originally Posted by aa406079

I find it encouraging that the Z51 package allows for the option of Magride.

There is alot of passionate debate here on which is better.

I for one hope EVERYONE gets their wish by making it an option....

Those that have mirror smooth roads or trailer their car to the track are happy, those that want the best street handling daily driven camaro will be happy.

The 1LE is far more streetable than you make it sound. I drive mine every day and have had many people in it. No one has complained about the ride. My 80 year old grandpa that has had multiple back surgeries loves it.

Is it a firm ride? Absolutely. Does it rattle your teeth out? No.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

It came out for the 2013 model year, so three years.



The 1LE is far more streetable than you make it sound. I drive mine every day and have had many people in it. No one has complained about the ride. My 80 year old grandpa that has had multiple back surgeries loves it.

Is it a firm ride? Absolutely. Does it rattle your teeth out? No.

When is the last time you had your roads frozen over?

Im originally from long beach, and while the roads out there had their issues, they are NOTHING like the roads in places that get below freezing for extended periods of time with multiple thaw/freeze cycles.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

When is the last time you had your roads frozen over?

Im originally from long beach, and while the roads out there had their issues, they are NOTHING like the roads in places that get below freezing for extended periods of time with multiple thaw/freeze cycles.

took the words out of me mouth.

there are some here that track their cars but would rather give up suspension mod-ability for better DD action. just want the car tailored a bit more track focused and take out some understeer.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Nearly half of the last 1LE option would be replaced by MRC. If they do offer a MRC upgrade with the 1LE, a good chunk of its cost will be offset by what it replaces.

My guess is that the 1LE will have MRC standard.

Originally Posted by Nicul15

we should hope it will be, then it can be our own choice.

Right?

it should show the same pros/cons on the 1LE as the SS

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The only people that want to track a 1LE without magride are those that have never tracked a car with a good magride suspension or the people in class racing that are not allowed magride....because it is too good. All of the track tests of the new cars are using magride....if the car would track faster without magride the manufacturers would have a non-magride car at the track for a better lap time. It does not.

Originally Posted by Waiting46

And this is why it should be an *option* so that people that want to track in a class where they don't have the option of MRC can still get an incredibly good suspension set up, but those that want to tear tracks up can get the very best

There is a demand for both, so let people have both.

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Incorrect.

I have an SCCA license, and run SCCA and NASA events. I have been doing track events and around people in the know for over 15 years. I also know multiple Vette owners who have had MRC, and have removed it for high end coilovers and gone quicker, and it allows more adjustability. MRC is great for what it is, and works fantastically on the street, but it is not the best solution for the track. MRC is used a lot now as it can give very good on track performance, and still keep good ride quality. It is not because it is the best bar none. I mean even GMC uses it in their full size trucks...to improve the ride. If you ask ten legit racers who will run their 1LE's on the track, not posers, I would bet 9/10 or 10/10 would not check the MRC option box. It is not saying MRC isn't awesome, it is, just not the best in this case.

I think there's been a lot of misunderstandings about MRC thrown around the internet...details lost in the fanfare...MRC is not a track suspension. That's not what it's designed to do.

Magnetic Ride control is designed to allow engineers to create a track-based suspension (ie stiff springs, swaybars, etc), but maximize comfort by allowing the dampers to behave dynamically on the road. It's a "best of both worlds" technology - but it is NOT a track star...That's why the Camaro team opted for DSSV on the Z/28.

And as people have already said - SCCA sees Mag Ride as "illegal" in competition. The 5th gen 1LE was cleared for competition...so if they follow suit in this generation - standard Magnetic Ride will undermine its past purpose...in short: If they keep the intent and formula the same for this generation's 1LE...then it CANNOT have Mag Ride.

However...the new stingray offers a Z51 "track package", and optional MRC...I hope they do the same thing for the Camaro - and I'll probably check both boxes. I miss my MRC.

Originally Posted by Waiting46

When is the last time you had your roads frozen over?

Im originally from long beach, and while the roads out there had their issues, they are NOTHING like the roads in places that get below freezing for extended periods of time with multiple thaw/freeze cycles.

I drove my 1LE every day, including through the winter...where it freezes over here regularly. And now I've up DSSV struts and do the same thing. It's fine.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

When is the last time you had your roads frozen over?

Im originally from long beach, and while the roads out there had their issues, they are NOTHING like the roads in places that get below freezing for extended periods of time with multiple thaw/freeze cycles.

Just because the roads don't freeze doesn't mean they are nice. I drive into Pomona a couple times a week and the roads there are terrible. I live in an area where a lot of trucking moves through. The roads are covered in ruts from the weight and heat during summer.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I think there's been a lot of misunderstandings about MRC thrown around the internet...details lost in the fanfare...MRC is not a track suspension. That's not what it's designed to do.

Magnetic Ride control is designed to allow engineers to create a track-based suspension (ie stiff springs, swaybars, etc), but maximize comfort by allowing the dampers to behave dynamically on the road. It's a "best of both worlds" technology - but it is NOT a track star...That's why the Camaro team opted for DSSV on the Z/28.

And as people have already said - SCCA sees Mag Ride as "illegal" in competition. The 5th gen 1LE was cleared for competition...so if they follow suit in this generation - standard Magnetic Ride will undermine its past purpose...in short: If they keep the intent and formula the same for this generation's 1LE...then it CANNOT have Mag Ride.

However...the new stingray offers a Z51 "track package", and optional MRC...I hope they do the same thing for the Camaro - and I'll probably check both boxes. I miss my MRC.



I drove my 1LE every day, including through the winter...where it freezes over here regularly. And now I've up DSSV struts and do the same thing. It's fine.

If Im spending 45-50k on a car, I want better than "Fine". Im willing to wait a little and see what the 1LE has, if it doesn't have MRC Ill get an SS with MRC, but imho Itd be a mistake not to offer the option.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I think there's been a lot of misunderstandings about MRC thrown around the internet...details lost in the fanfare...MRC is not a track suspension. That's not what it's designed to do.

Magnetic Ride control is designed to allow engineers to create a track-based suspension (ie stiff springs, swaybars, etc), but maximize comfort by allowing the dampers to behave dynamically on the road. It's a "best of both worlds" technology - but it is NOT a track star...That's why the Camaro team opted for DSSV on the Z/28.

have to do it...


source???


I thought DSSV has the similar pros/cons with less weight but more expense.

MRC can control "valving" independent from damper speed and damper position. also control each shock independent from each other.
If that can't provide better feedback on a track, they're doing it wrong.

[Whitespeed]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Considering the 1LE is built for a small percentage of Camaro buyers, I don't really think their are many pros to MRC.

If you're going with a factory tuned track suspension setup, why not include MRC? Should be a definite performance advantage. Its not just about comfort.

Nigel

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Nicul15

have to do it...


source???


I thought DSSV has the similar pros/cons with less weight but more expense.

MRC can essentially control valving independent from damper speed and damper position. also the possibility to control each shock independent from each other.
If that can't provide better feedback on a track, they're doing it wrong.

Old article but shines some light on the subject:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ormance-page-2

Originally Posted by Whitespeed

If you're going with a factory tuned track suspension setup, why not include MRC? Should be a definite performance advantage. Its not just about comfort.

Nigel

There is not a performance advantage if you are designing a suspension from scratch. The advantage comes in being able to design a "stiff setup" but being able to give it a compliant ride when you want it. Hence best of both worlds is the best way to describe MRC's usefulness.


Also remember, most tracks are not the piles of crap that public roads are. An MRC setup might be able to account for terrible road surfaces better than a traditional fixed rate setup on public roads. But that advantage is gone when you are on a proper "track" surface.