[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by 90503

So, how's that been working out so far?

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by LovePhenom

I'll take this economy over the one he was handed 7 years ago anyday.

Ha....

As a note, I wasn't trying to start a political debate. You kids have no idea how to take a joke.

[SpeedIsLife]

Based on the pricing and the stingy initial allocation amounts (even big dealers getting only 2 in the first month) it seems like GM is aiming for lower production levels with the new Camaro.

It's just a feeling and the initial evidence seems to support it.

Lower production, higher profits per unit. It seems like they intended to not need a 1LE by making a base SS as capable (if that is indeed true) and no longer offering a RS upgrade since most of those features are lumped into the base SS trim.

The SS now is less accessible, anyone who says otherwise is deceiving themselves. Ford has kept the GT in touch for most Mustang buyers (even lower with the easily obtained X plan) and while lower powered, Mopar with the 5.7 R/T Challenger.

If the 1SS had started at $35,699 that would have been better, since even an auto 1SS would have been 37,000. However they didn't. You can argue you're getting a better car, which you are. You can say how much better it's going to be over the 5th gen and start ripping the 5th Gen to make it better, which people are here.
The fact is the 2016 Camaro SS has the highest price of entry in the segment now. The most powerful yes, the best by the numbers, sure. However for someone who just wants a good looking, V8, fun and functional coupe the SS may be too much now.
The whole "if $65 a month is too much you shouldn't buy the car"
argument is bullshit since everyone has different sensibilities. If the SS commands higher insurance premiums and maintenance costs (valve coking, etc) the $60 could become $85 or $90. Roughly $100 a month is a factor for me, I don't treat my finances lightly or consider expenditures like that just on a whim.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Lol the banks and gm and Chrysler all went under in the wake of president bush. We got attacked on 9/11 under him and he never got bin laden. Guy couldn't even speak a clear sentence half the time. Lol at people saying it is worse now. Jesus...
I don't have faith in our government/ either side of the fence anymore. I quit caring.

Anyway... The car is slightly overpriced. I was not expecting it. For what you get it is priced decent but they should have offered cheaper options etc. I doubt they can keep up with sales now but we will see. I'm still interested but I'm sure gm lost a few with the pricing... And some of the ford guys are loving it lol. The car better perform and be worth the money... But that still may be overlooked/ not understood by the average consumer.

As said in the post above maybe gm is looking for less volume and more profits. Maybe they are taking it to another level. That's fine and dandy I guess... Hope it works. Historically a v8 camaro is supposed to be accessible and affordable for the average person. Strange move not offering a cheap v8 entry...

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Based on the pricing and the stingy initial allocation amounts (even big dealers getting only 2 in the first month) it seems like GM is aiming for lower production levels with the new Camaro.

It's just a feeling and the initial evidence seems to support it.

Lower production, higher profits per unit. It seems like they intended to not need a 1LE by making a base SS as capable (if that is indeed true) and no longer offering a RS upgrade since most of those features are lumped into the base SS trim.

The SS now is less accessible, anyone who says otherwise is deceiving themselves. Ford has kept the GT in touch for most Mustang buyers (even lower with the easily obtained X plan) and while lower powered, Mopar with the 5.7 R/T Challenger.

If the 1SS had started at $35,699 that would have been better, since even an auto 1SS would have been 37,000. However they didn't. You can argue you're getting a better car, which you are. You can say how much better it's going to be over the 5th gen and start ripping the 5th Gen to make it better, which people are here.
The fact is the 2016 Camaro SS has the highest price of entry in the segment now. The most powerful yes, the best by the numbers, sure. However for someone who just wants a good looking, V8, fun and functional coupe the SS may be too much now.
The whole "if $65 a month is too much you shouldn't buy the car"
argument is bullshit since everyone has different sensibilities. If the SS commands higher insurance premiums and maintenance costs (valve coking, etc) the $60 could become $85 or $90. Roughly $100 a month is a factor for me, I don't treat my finances lightly or consider expenditures like that just on a whim.

I definitely agree with all of this. I control my budget very tightly and have personal goals and responsibilities to worry about that are more important than a nice car. So for me even $20 or $30 per month does matter. To those who claim it doesn't, try adding that amount to every bill you have and see how quickly it adds up. I am willing to spend extra for the car i want over the car I need but I have to draw the line somewhere.

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Based on the pricing and the stingy initial allocation amounts (even big dealers getting only 2 in the first month) it seems like GM is aiming for lower production levels with the new Camaro.

It's just a feeling and the initial evidence seems to support it.

Lower production, higher profits per unit. It seems like they intended to not need a 1LE by making a base SS as capable (if that is indeed true) and no longer offering a RS upgrade since most of those features are lumped into the base SS trim.

The SS now is less accessible, anyone who says otherwise is deceiving themselves. Ford has kept the GT in touch for most Mustang buyers (even lower with the easily obtained X plan) and while lower powered, Mopar with the 5.7 R/T Challenger.

If the 1SS had started at $35,699 that would have been better, since even an auto 1SS would have been 37,000. However they didn't. You can argue you're getting a better car, which you are. You can say how much better it's going to be over the 5th gen and start ripping the 5th Gen to make it better, which people are here.
The fact is the 2016 Camaro SS has the highest price of entry in the segment now. The most powerful yes, the best by the numbers, sure. However for someone who just wants a good looking, V8, fun and functional coupe the SS may be too much now.
The whole "if $65 a month is too much you shouldn't buy the car"
argument is bullshit since everyone has different sensibilities. If the SS commands higher insurance premiums and maintenance costs (valve coking, etc) the $60 could become $85 or $90. Roughly $100 a month is a factor for me, I don't treat my finances lightly or consider expenditures like that just on a whim.

I agree everyone is in the market for a different reason. I also agree for the mass casual V8 car buyer this car might be out of reach for them now....

What we do not know is what GM's target audience is. What personas they are targeting and what their end game is for the full line from 1LT - Z/28.

We all know items that are standard will most likely become options and the price will be able to come down. This is the first year run on this new car and Chevy has some growing to do around it.

Nothing is wrong with the 2015 Camaro. It just doesn't offer as much as the 2016. But looking back at the 2015 I think everyone can agree the interior was very bare bones and to make it look good required a better design that requires more money.

If anything, people are just upset they can no longer afford the 2016 car they were hoping for. Crap I know my car is on the edge of my budget. I also know my wife wants to kill me for getting a new car so soon. But I am buying this car as my forever car or until I make more money and can afford a ZL1. But have 3 boys and 1 on the way... it isn't going to happen.

[Balljoint]

Originally Posted by banter

I'm a little heartbroken the price went up that much. The debate to keep the '14 or upgrade to '17 just got harder. Half the options not included on the 2SS are the ones I want (mag ride and adjustable exhaust).

Wait another year and let them work the bugs out of the new model and by then there will be supercharge option.

[ZL1ster]

.02 -- lets see what the consumer says with his/her wallet. Sales/bottom line figures will say a lot about "correct pricing". Personally, think Gen6 (I'm a V8 guy myself) is amazing - homerun - no doubt! But can the consumer's budget carry that price tag. Gen5 sales/shoes are going to be difficult to fill.

[Ragnar]

Just remember, the new Camaro is part Cadillac, it's gonna cost more. You gotta love the extra creature comforts. I think most people DD there cars as opposed to tracking, so you need nice options.

[banter]

My beef with it isn't that it costs that much, or that it isn't worth it. It's that I may have to wait that much longer to afford it the way I want it.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Based on the pricing and the stingy initial allocation amounts (even big dealers getting only 2 in the first month) it seems like GM is aiming for lower production levels with the new Camaro.

It's just a feeling and the initial evidence seems to support it.

Lower production, higher profits per unit. It seems like they intended to not need a 1LE by making a base SS as capable (if that is indeed true) and no longer offering a RS upgrade since most of those features are lumped into the base SS trim.

The SS now is less accessible, anyone who says otherwise is deceiving themselves. Ford has kept the GT in touch for most Mustang buyers (even lower with the easily obtained X plan) and while lower powered, Mopar with the 5.7 R/T Challenger.

If the 1SS had started at $35,699 that would have been better, since even an auto 1SS would have been 37,000. However they didn't. You can argue you're getting a better car, which you are. You can say how much better it's going to be over the 5th gen and start ripping the 5th Gen to make it better, which people are here.
The fact is the 2016 Camaro SS has the highest price of entry in the segment now. The most powerful yes, the best by the numbers, sure. However for someone who just wants a good looking, V8, fun and functional coupe the SS may be too much now.
The whole "if $65 a month is too much you shouldn't buy the car"
argument is bullshit since everyone has different sensibilities. If the SS commands higher insurance premiums and maintenance costs (valve coking, etc) the $60 could become $85 or $90. Roughly $100 a month is a factor for me, I don't treat my finances lightly or consider expenditures like that just on a whim.

+1

[SS376]

Originally Posted by GroundhogSS

Plus you get a warranty with the new one unless you get a tune.

Pretty sure you got a warranty back in '99 as well

[PoorMansCamaro]

[Punk_rider]

If a 2800 USD difference is too much for a performance car then you shouldn't buy it.

That's a car made for fun, not an all purpose one. If you're low on cash, you should better spare money than buy a car you don't actually need