[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

You're acting like the ZL1 isn't held back by traction...
or pretending it isn't at least.
You know that ANY car with 500hp and street tires may have some traction issues no matter the suspension right?

i agree. Both cars are gonna be traction limited. Combined with the gearing (tq multiplication), the ZL1 actually makes very similar power in 1st gear, just that it is for a much shorter time than the GT500 due to running out of breath earlier in the upper rpm range and 3.73's vs 3.31. If you can get the ZL1 to hook you should be able to get the GT500 to hook just as well. or you can make the case the same the other way around with the traction problems.

On the road course you can argue it different ways for each car and technically youd probably be right because its pretty much just speculation for now.

[eolson]

Again, there are a lot more than minor tweeks to the 2013 GT500. I agree that Ford should have gone with 305/35/19's in rear giving a tire height of 27.45 and a sidewall of 4.2 inches, same sidewall as the ZL1 on it's 305/35/20's.

But Ford gave in to the giant wheel look of this decade, so thy had to go with the 285's. Drag racers can put phat tires in the back since they don't care about total driving balance like road racers. Erik

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

Which one of those categories is the CTS-V with the LSA and MR legal for?

As far as I read - all the ones I mentioned. In those classes, if it comes OEM, it's okay.

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Well, it happens to have more HP than the 13 GT500 and the same suspension (minor tweaks). As others, including Ford guys have said, the 285 tires are going to be a joke on the 2013 car as they were on the Super Snake. IMO, it's an indicator that a lesser HP car will, um, uh, run lesser times, so why isn't that relevant? If you don't like my posts, skip over them and read someone elses.

Consistant 3.7's 0-60, and mid 11's 1/4 mile reported from multiple magazines...Sounds like traction is most certainly NOT an issue. It has also been reported that the LC/TC is so good, that it will perform as good, if not better than a professional driver. What were you saying about those 285's again???... Saying, "the Supersnake has the same suspension as the 13 Shelby(minor tweaks)"...would be like me saying the HPE Camaro has the same suspension as the ZL1 (minor tweaks)...


Here is some reading material for ya
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-gt500-feature

P.S. If you don't like this post, skip over it and read someone elses...

[Rock36]

Can't we just call it a plain ol' SVT Cobra again?

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

As far as I read - all the ones I mentioned. In those classes, if it comes OEM, it's okay.

Not unless they've revised the rule book in the last month. Last time I looked the LSA CTS-V was eligible for none of those classes.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by Rock36

Can't we just call it a plain ol' SVT Cobra again?

that would be ideal

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Consistant 3.7's 0-60, and mid 11's 1/4 mile reported from multiple magazines...Sounds like traction is most certainly NOT an issue. It has also been reported that the LC/TC is so good, that it will perform as good, if not better than a professional driver. What were you saying about those 285's again???... Saying, "the Supersnake has the same suspension as the 13 Shelby(minor tweaks)"...would be like me saying the HPE Camaro has the same suspension as the ZL1 (minor tweaks)...


Here is some reading material for ya
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-gt500-feature

P.S. If you don't like this post, skip over it and read someone elses...

I was speculating on the poor drag strip performance of the 2011 Mustang and how much difference an additional 100 HP could make in it's straight line performance. Since the GT500 simply didn't get the drag strip performance down (30 HP less than the ZL1):

2011 Mustang GT500


Car & Driver 12.4
Motor Trend 12.35
Edmunds 12.4
Autoweek 12.3
Road & Track 12.4
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords 12.02 (using their best driver and every trick in the book)

Even if the 100 hp brought times down by 4/10s second, we're looking at 12s or about what the ZL1 will do (Motor Trend video today says the ZL1 ran under 12 seconds on a crappy track). It's going to be an interesting comparison. No one has tested the 13 GT500 in production form, so for you to say "multiple magazines say it runs mid 11s" is kinda speculation. The basic suspension for the 13 GT500 is basically the same as the 2011 "with minor tweaks".

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I was speculating on the poor drag strip performance of the 2011 Mustang and how much difference an additional 100 HP could make in it's straight line performance. Since the GT500 simply didn't get the drag strip performance down (30 HP less than the ZL1):

2011 Mustang GT500


Car & Driver 12.4
Motor Trend 12.35
Edmunds 12.4
Autoweek 12.3
Road & Track 12.4
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords 12.02 (using their best driver and every trick in the book)

Even if the 100 hp brought times down by 4/10s second, we're looking at 12s or about what the ZL1 will do (Motor Trend video today says the ZL1 ran under 12 seconds on a crappy track). It's going to be an interesting comparison. No one has tested the 13 GT500 in production form, so for you to say "multiple magazines say it runs mid 11s" is kinda speculation. The basic suspension for the 13 GT500 is basically the same as the 2011 "with minor tweaks".

To me it looks like the 2011 GT500 is running right with the ZL1 (makes sense 30 HP difference, 300 pound weight difference.

Car and Driver got a 12.3 from the ZL1, Motor trend got a slightly better 12.1. Seems pretty close to me, so i don't see how the 13 GT500 with it's added HP, better suspension, and launch control could possibly NOT be quicker than the ZL1????

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Stew

?... i don't see how the 13 GT500 with it's added HP, better suspension, and launch control could possibly NOT be quicker than the ZL1????

You must be wearing the wrong glasses. Look around for the rose-colored ones it seems like so many others are wearing these days.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by Stew

To me it looks like the 2011 GT500 is running right with the ZL1 (makes sense 30 HP difference, 300 pound weight difference.

Car and Driver got a 12.3 from the ZL1, Motor trend got a slightly better 12.1. Seems pretty close to me, so i don't see how the 13 GT500 with it's added HP, better suspension, and launch control could possibly NOT be quicker than the ZL1????

I believe the Mustang Boss, which has 444hp or so, ran a 12.3 or thereabouts as well. So by your logic, the 2011 GT500 should be deep down in the 11s since it has 100+ hp than the Boss. But it's not. So "added HP, better suspension, and launch control" isn't the end-all-be-all. You're welcome to keep on guessing and speculating but that's all it is: guessing and speculation...

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Stew

To me it looks like the 2011 GT500 is running right with the ZL1 (makes sense 30 HP difference, 300 pound weight difference.

Car and Driver got a 12.3 from the ZL1, Motor trend got a slightly better 12.1. Seems pretty close to me, so i don't see how the 13 GT500 with it's added HP, better suspension, and launch control could possibly NOT be quicker than the ZL1????

Look for today's post on the Motor Trend test. Motor Trend's best test driver says clearly the ZL1 ran under 12 seconds there's a thread on it. If that's the case, the 2011 GT500 is on the average a half second slower. The 2013 GT500 could very possibly and most probably will be faster than the ZL1...it should be with a huge weight and HP advantage, but not by much. The advantage is that Ford now knows what the performance of the ZL1 is, they WON"T release the GT500 until it beats the ZL1. They did that with the 5.0 Mustang. When the Mustang 5.0 was in it's planned production configuration, it wouldn't beat a Camaro SS and couldn't match the HP...what did Ford do, they added Tubular headers and Ford racing CAI. That gave them the slight advantage they needed. The GT 500 will follow that pattern.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SS 376

I believe the Mustang Boss, which has 444hp or so, ran a 12.3 or thereabouts as well. So by your logic, the 2011 GT500 should be deep down in the 11s since it has 100+ hp than the Boss. But it's not. So "added HP, better suspension, and launch control" isn't the end-all-be-all. You're welcome to keep on guessing and speculating but that's all it is: guessing and speculation...

That was not my point at all, i was simply comparing the times here. Please tell me how better HP, better gearing, better grip, launch control could NOT make the 13 GT500 quicker than the 12? Please answer that? Yes, I am guessing, but that is the fun part and my guess is only logical, to believe otherwise, you will more than likely find, is wishful thinking at best.

[TheReaper]

The times you guys are posting really makes me feel good about 5.0 A6.