[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

I just can't see that many people deviant toward blasphemy in one place. Not without a whistleblower before now. Of course, there's a lot about this story that blows my mind.

HAHAHA well come to my home city of Flint, MI and you will see wayyyyyyyyy worse things like this and many devian people in one place that are willing to do anything by any means. I'm talking selling their own children and pimping them out to raping and murdering people that stand up to them and this is on the streets and powerful people with the city that run the city. I kid you not and people hear the whispers and know but don't say anything because they fear for their lives. Look up are crime and murder rate if you think I'm lying you would be disgusted to see things like this happen everyday and is considered a way of life.

[PQ]

Ok. Let's look at that.

I have thought about that myself.

The DA could have been nabbed by any one of HUNDREDS of people he prosecutes. It's interesting for sure, but hos not been confirmed related.

Also, if you are affraid of local LEOs then go to the feds and explain your fears. I have given my opinions based on the facts that we have. I haven't seen anythnig to support what you are saying. It would change the equation but not my feelings.

Just wouldn't make sense. Why would any of them stick around if they were so intimidated? If you're intimidated to the point of willingly letting children continue to be raped then you tell the feds and move. And if we're talking Hollywood 'John Gotti' stuff then so be it. But I dont' believe that.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by PQ

Doesn't really matter. Children were brutalized, adults were made aware, situation was ignored, more children were brutalized because of the inatention of the adults.

Whatever the number of children ends up being having been raped since then (and it's already grown) the guilt of inaction can be laid on heads of those at Penn State who did NOTHING. And they were all justified in getting fired. MY outrage right now is that McQueary is still part of the staff.

They were in positions they were with responsibilities and they all failed miserably. Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary should individually be ashamed of themselves.

I know that Joe is ashamed - he said as much after reading the indictment. That is why he responded that he wished he would have done more. I think Joe's reading of that indictment showed him that this was bigger than what McQuery had reported to him. This is why he stated that we were all fooled by Sandusky. I hope that Joe comes forward with what he did know and what he did do...this cover up was much bigger than Joepa...from a missing DA to McQuery seemingly skyrocketting ahead in the coaching staff in a very short time after the incident he witnessed. McQuery should be fired and banned from working with kids for his failure to stop Sandusky that night.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by PQ

Ok. Let's look at that.

I have thought about that myself.

The DA could have been nabbed by any one of HUNDREDS of people he prosecutes. It's interesting for sure, but hos not been confirmed related.

Also, if you are affraid of local LEOs then go to the feds and explain your fears. I have given my opinions based on the facts that we have. I haven't seen anythnig to support what you are saying. It would change the equation but not my feelings.

Just wouldn't make sense. Why would any of them stick around if they were so intimidated? If you're intimidated to the point of willingly letting children continue to be raped then you tell the feds and move. And if we're talking Hollywood 'John Gotti' stuff then so be it. But I dont' believe that.

I personally think that Sandusky only intimidated one person and that's McQueary. The rest turned their heads and didn't want to believe or admit what was going on for whatever reason. The whole staff knew what was going on and didn't act. How many times over the years did McQueary and Sandusky talk were even in the same room? Same with Paterno, how do you continue to look at this man when you know deep down what he was doing?

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

I know that Joe is ashamed - he said as much after reading the indictment. That is why he responded that he wished he would have done more. I think Joe's reading of that indictment showed him that this was bigger than what McQuery had reported to him. This is why he stated that we were all fooled by Sandusky. I hope that Joe comes forward with what he did know and what he did do...this cover up was much bigger than Joepa...from a missing DA to McQuery seemingly skyrocketting ahead in the coaching staff in a very short time after the incident he witnessed. McQuery should be fired and banned from working with kids for his failure to stop Sandusky that night.

I agree for the most part, but if McQueary even gave Paterno the watered down version of what happened, which I highly doubt is accurate, that was enough to contact the State Police, not campus or local, immediately. I believe he told Paterno exactly what he witnessed and for Joe not to do more is troubling.

[ssump29]

I feel ya PQ but I think something going to come out thats gonna blew all your minds and I can see murder, imtimidation, witness tampering and many other things happening.

And taking it to the feds would get you no where as they would need way more evidence then just one witness and statement and also if the local or state level haven't even looked at it they definitely not going to look into it unless federal laws were being broken. The feds don't get involve with local affairs and it takes a hell of alot to happen before the feds show up, and its sad to say but on the federal level child abuse and sexaul rapes rank very low on their scale. They worried more about, terrorist activities, major drug distribution(like cartels and such), illgeal racketerring on a major level and things of the sort.

I'm just saying expect the unexpected at this moment as anything could come out now.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

I know that Joe is ashamed - he said as much after reading the indictment. That is why he responded that he wished he would have done more. I think Joe's reading of that indictment showed him that this was bigger than what McQuery had reported to him. This is why he stated that we were all fooled by Sandusky. I hope that Joe comes forward with what he did know and what he did do...this cover up was much bigger than Joepa...from a missing DA to McQuery seemingly skyrocketting ahead in the coaching staff in a very short time after the incident he witnessed. McQuery should be fired and banned from working with kids for his failure to stop Sandusky that night.

I'm sure McQueary told Joe accurately what happened. I'd bet my house on it. Becauwse Joe is gonna be in his face asking what exactly happened. So if the actual deeds that were witnessed was clouded, it had to be Joe that clouded them. Maybe out of disbelief.

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I personally think that Sandusky only intimidated one person and that's McQueary. The rest turned their heads and didn't want to believe or admit what was going on for whatever reason. The whole staff knew what was going on and didn't act. How many times over the years did McQueary and Sandusky talk were even in the same room? Same with Paterno, how do you continue to look at this man when you know deep down what he was doing?

I doubt Sandusky and Joe or Mike were ever in the same room together after that.

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I agree for the most part, but if McQueary even gave Paterno the watered down version of what happened, which I highly doubt is accurate, that was enough to contact the State Police, not campus or local, immediately. I believe he told Paterno exactly what he witnessed and for Joe not to do more is troubling.

Originally Posted by ssump29

I feel ya PQ but I think something going to come out thats gonna blew all your minds and I can see murder, imtimidation, witness tampering and many other things happening.

And taking it to the feds would get you no where as they would need way more evidence then just one witness and statement and also if the local or state level haven't even looked at it they definitely not going to look into it unless federal laws were being broken. The feds don't get involve with local affairs and it takes a hell of alot to happen before the feds show up, and its sad to say but on the federal level child abuse and sexaul rapes rank very low on their scale. They worried more about, terrorist activities, major drug distribution(like cartels and such), illgeal racketerring on a major level and things of the sort.

I'm just saying expect the unexpected at this moment as anything could come out now.

I guess time will tell. I have no doubt that it goes further down the proverbial Rabbit Hole.

Legislation is already drafted up in PA requiring anyone with any knowlege to report straight to law enforcement or state officials outside an institution or organization. That bill will pass easily.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by PQ

I'm sure McQueary told Joe accurately what happened. I'd bet my house on it. Becauwse Joe is gonna be in his face asking what exactly happened. So if the actual deeds that were witnessed was clouded, it had to be Joe that clouded them. Maybe out of disbelief.

I doubt Sandusky and Joe or Mike were ever in the same room together after that.



I guess time will tell. I have no doubt that it goes further down the proverbial Rabbit Hole.

Legislation is already drafted up in PA requiring anyone with any knowlege to report straight to law enforcement or state officials outside an institution or organization. That bill will pass easily.

More than 9 years passed after that incident and everyone has acknowledged that Sandusky was around a lot so I would say it was more than likely.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

I'm sure McQueary told Joe accurately what happened. I'd bet my house on it. Becauwse Joe is gonna be in his face asking what exactly happened. So if the actual deeds that were witnessed was clouded, it had to be Joe that clouded them. Maybe out of disbelief.

I doubt Sandusky and Joe or Mike were ever in the same room together after that.



I guess time will tell. I have no doubt that it goes further down the proverbial Rabbit Hole.

Legislation is already drafted up in PA requiring anyone with any knowlege to report straight to law enforcement or state officials outside an institution or organization. That bill will pass easily.

Thats exactly what I think happened as well. It's shit like that which makes me wish just for those days I was a fly on the wall in the room when McQueary told Joe, and then Joe told Schultz and then when Schultz got Curly involved and what they discussed and then what was said when McQueary told his story to those two.

McQueary makes make question his story of if he told it three times the same exact way each time and after thinking so much about it either added or left facts out by thinking to himself maybe he didn't see what he thought or maybe felt more detail was better and accidently emblished. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I just want the TRUTHHHHHHHHHH.

[Weezerj]

Originally Posted by PQ

Legislation is already drafted up in PA requiring anyone with any knowlege to report straight to law enforcement or state officials outside an institution or organization. That bill will pass easily.

I cannot believe that we need legislation for this. How is it that people are even questioning this? I feel that those that did not call the police have been stained by all he did following their compliance/cowardice.

What amazes me is how may people are on this list....

-The victim's mom that chose not to press charges
-The DA that didn't press charges
-The school that forced him to retire due to conduct with children but still let him have access to the school
- the GA that didn't make any effort to interrupt the act or call police
- the coach that just told school officials
- the school officials that didn't call the police
- the high school wrestling coach that saw him laying on top of a 10 year old boy in the high school locker room and didn't call the police

I am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around all these people doing nothing.......I would like to sit down with each and every one of them and ask why they didn't act.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Thats exactly what I think happened as well. It's shit like that which makes me wish just for those days I was a fly on the wall in the room when McQueary told Joe, and then Joe told Schultz and then when Schultz got Curly involved and what they discussed and then what was said when McQueary told his story to those two.

McQueary makes make question his story of if he told it three times the same exact way each time and after thinking so much about it either added or left facts out by thinking to himself maybe he didn't see what he thought or maybe felt more detail was better and accidently emblished. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I just want the TRUTHHHHHHHHHH.

YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH................


had to.

We may never know. I get the feeling there is a lot the McQueary wants to say but can't.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by PQ

YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH................


had to.

We may never know. I get the feeling there is a lot the McQueary wants to say but can't.

I get the same feeling about Joe. The man had a 46 year history of telling the truth and damn the consequences - now this. It just does not fit with ANYTHING we know about the man or his beliefs. I hope he comes forward with more information, although in a world in which lawyers rule...we may never be allowed to hear the truth.

[Wantconvertible]

Originally Posted by PQ

Doesn't really matter. Children were brutalized, adults were made aware, situation was ignored, more children were brutalized because of the inatention of the adults.

Whatever the number of children ends up being having been raped since then (and it's already grown) the guilt of inaction can be laid on heads of those at Penn State who did NOTHING. And they were all justified in getting fired. MY outrage right now is that McQueary is still part of the staff.

They were in positions they were with responsibilities and they all failed miserably. Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary should individually be ashamed of themselves.

Agree

[anglwngss]

Originally Posted by Weezerj

What amazes me is how may people are on this list....

-The victim's mom that chose not to press charges

I have to wonder at this because I've read two versions, one that the mom didn't press charges, the other was the DA who didn't press charges. Wouldn't this be up to the DA? If they felt there was not enough evidence to prosecute, then they wouldn't. That has nothing to do with the DA, right?