[Capricio]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

If it has world class performance and exciting styling coupled with better utility and is a car that you would consider buying does it really matter if it's called a Camaro or an Impala? Would you NOT buy it because it has 2 extra doors and the "wrong" name?

It's GM's branding and reputation that they have built to exploit, squander, or capitalize upon. They have gone to great effort and expense to make it what it is and has been. I still cringe at the sight of the Mustang EV crossover thing when i see one, with the signature tail lights and pony logo. What was the point of remaining relatively consistent for nearly 60 years? Why not call it "Silverado" since that has even more recognition and greater sales numbers?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I highlighted what sets you apart from a vast majority of the driving public. I have shown countless numbers of friends and relatives how to set their mirrors to eliminate blindspots. Most of them have gone back to the "normal" way of setting their mirrors. The way where when you look in the mirror you see the side of your own car. THAT is the type of person Chevrolet still needs to sell to. That is the type of person that will sit in the car in the showroom and say "Wow...blindspot. This falls off my shopping list".

There haven't been many things in my life that surprised me more than the unexpected truth of this statement.

Except for my youngest son who just about to reach driving age, literally everyone else in my family "gravitated" back to the wrong mirror setting that lets them see the sides of their vehicle. This happens even after several times of me showing them how this isn't helpful, and how other vehicles on the road will "travel" from one side mirror into the rearview (or vice versa) with the correct settings, meaning they can always see it no matter the side mirror blindspots.

On top of that, the 6th gen Camaro had blind spot monitoring and auto mirror tilt down in reverse, so no excuse for not being able to park when backing into a space.

Absolutely dumbfounding, but I agree to James's point that GM wouldn't want to lose out on these customers. It's a perception game, unfortunately.

[DeuceCam]

Originally Posted by 102SS

I am going to use a baseball analogy here

Why swing for the fences when a few singles will get you the same score?

Sure the homer wows the crowd but how many strikeouts did you have trying to get it?

The singles improve the batting average increase confidence and create a team feeling over individual performance.

Heads roll when you don't put winners on the field and jobs are lost when you take expensive swings at the plate and strike out.

No one wants to lose a great job in the major leagues to ride the busses in the minors.

I understand your point. It how the mfg (GM) would look at it, or someone that closely aligns with how the mfg would approach this.

I have my own opinions on the matter, which are from a consumer/buyers perspective.

Originally Posted by arpad_m

On top of that, the 6th gen Camaro had blind spot monitoring and auto mirror tilt down in reverse, so no excuse for not being able to park when backing into a space.

They weren't standard features.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I highlighted what sets you apart from a vast majority of the driving public. I have shown countless numbers of friends and relatives how to set their mirrors to eliminate blindspots. Most of them have gone back to the "normal" way of setting their mirrors. The way where when you look in the mirror you see the side of your own car. THAT is the type of person Chevrolet still needs to sell to. That is the type of person that will sit in the car in the showroom and say "Wow...blindspot. This falls off my shopping list". They will, as you point out, not give the car a fair shake. So GM either needs to take that excuse away from them (significantly improve visibility) or just deal with the fact that a large number of potential buyers will walk away from the car over something that they (shoppers) can easily correct.

Crazy what setting your mirrors correctly will do. I do not have blind spot monitoring or anything like that all I have is a back up camera. In the six years of owning my Camaro since new I have not had a single issue with visibility. People then get mad at me because my experience with the Camaro does not fit their narrative. I have said it in another social media group if you cannot handle the Camaro in this regard then you probably cannot handle that dream car you want because the ones I see on peoples list have the same or worse visibility. Yeah GM will probably have to adjust to people who don't do things properly.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

Crazy what setting your mirrors correctly will do. I do not have blind spot monitoring or anything like that all I have is a back up camera. In the six years of owning my Camaro since new I have not had a single issue with visibility. People then get mad at me because my experience with the Camaro does not fit their narrative. I have said it in another social media group if you cannot handle the Camaro in this regard then you probably cannot handle that dream car you want because the ones I see on peoples list have the same or worse visibility. Yeah GM will probably have to adjust to people who don't do things properly.

I’ll go a step further and be adamant that anyone who has problem seeing out of the Camaro even without Blindspot monitoring really should not be driving. I said the quiet part out loud I mean it.

I will say that to anybody’s face who has a problem with that if you cannot see out of the Camaro turn in your drivers license

[nobodyspecial]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

If it has world class performance and exciting styling coupled with better utility and is a car that you would consider buying does it really matter if it's called a Camaro or an Impala? Would you NOT buy it because it has 2 extra doors and the "wrong" name?

I know you were not asking me, but as someone who will be in the market in the next year or so, I would not buy a camaro with 4 doors. I will heavily consider a new camaro with the new ls6 engine. Otherwise, no sweat, I will just go the route of c8 vette.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by Junction65

7GEN Camaro requirements for minimum viable product:

1. 6.7 LS6 DPI engine option
2. Supercharged variant of 6.7 DPI engine for higher trim level
3. M6/A10 transmission options
4. 3GEN styling influences both exterior and interior
5. Z28 trim level

Bonus req: T-tops option (not that it will ever happen, but adding it anyways because I can...)

1. 6.7 LS6 DPI engine option - I think this is a given
2. Supercharged variant of 6.7 DPI engine for higher trim level - I don't see this happening
3. M6/A10 transmission options - if the next gen CT5 doesn't offer a manual, this car won't have one either
4. 3GEN styling influences both exterior and interior - this would be epic
5. Z28 trim level - not likely imo


How long has GM been developing this car? It usually takes a while to get a car from early concept to production. The 5th gen was roughly 3 years, right?

GM doesn't really seem to get in a hurry with anything these days so I'm not very confident that they're going to design this car from the ground up with everything that we're used to with the 5th and 6th gens. ie, the performance variants like 1LE and ZL1. Talking to some friends with knowledge, the fear is that they're going to push the easy button and make this a 4-door with one trim, one engine/trans combo and see how it sells. Basically the SS Sedan v 2.0 which imo, would not be a success.

[GearheadSS]

I'd like to also add that if the car comes out and it's a 4-door, calling it Camaro would be a failure. It should be called Chevelle, imo. Keep the Camaro name in the vault for a 2 door but there should not be a 4 door Camaro.

[m6-lt1]

Disagree with you gearhead on the manual part. There is zero development costs for it. We already know a TR6060 fits in the alpha 2 chassis without modification. Only thing that would possibly need to change is the gearing, but I don’t see an issue with using the last TR6060 variant in the 6th gen Camaro. This 6.7 isn’t making 100+ more HP so the gearing that was made for the LT1 will work fine.

Even if they did want to change the gearing, that’s not really going to add much development costs. Math equations will be used to figure it out.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

1. 6.7 LS6 DPI engine option - I think this is a given
2. Supercharged variant of 6.7 DPI engine for higher trim level - I don't see this happening
3. M6/A10 transmission options - if the next gen CT5 doesn't offer a manual, this car won't have one either
4. 3GEN styling influences both exterior and interior - this would be epic
5. Z28 trim level - not likely imo


How long has GM been developing this car? It usually takes a while to get a car from early concept to production. The 5th gen was roughly 3 years, right?

GM doesn't really seem to get in a hurry with anything these days so I'm not very confident that they're going to design this car from the ground up with everything that we're used to with the 5th and 6th gens. ie, the performance variants like 1LE and ZL1. Talking to some friends with knowledge, the fear is that they're going to push the easy button and make this a 4-door with one trim, one engine/trans combo and see how it sells. Basically the SS Sedan v 2.0 which imo, would not be a success.

If it's like the time between Gen 4 and Gen 5 they were never really NOT working on it. From the time that Gen 4 ended Product Portfolio Planning, the area I was working in, was constantly fielding ideas and proposals for bringing it back. Plus, work had already started on a 7th Gen about the same time the 2019 / 2020 mid-cycle hit the streets. That's just how things work in Product Planning. Of course, it was put "on the shelf" when it was announced that 2024 would be the final year, but it still means they weren't working from nothing. Add to that the fact that next gen CT5 was confirmed over a year ago. Including the expectation of a V8 manual for V-Series. No doubt Camaro work was going on in parallel.

[cooldawg]

Originally Posted by nobodyspecial

I know you were not asking me, but as someone who will be in the market in the next year or so, I would not buy a camaro with 4 doors. I will heavily consider a new camaro with the new ls6 engine. Otherwise, no sweat, I will just go the route of c8 vette.

Agree, but I just built a GS and GSX vette on a well regarded (but not GM) build tool:

GS $116
GSX $138

Wow… Both mid trim but with all the aero goodies. I could do six figures, but that’s a difficult proposition for a luxury item ;( I don’t think we’ll see a ZL1 trim even if we do get a coupe…But I’d be all in for that in 80/90’s range.

[Ktucky1LE]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

4. 3GEN styling influences both exterior and interior - this would be epic

That definitely WOULD be epic! (imho)

[Ktucky1LE]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

Crazy what setting your mirrors correctly will do. I do not have blind spot monitoring or anything like that all I have is a back up camera. In the six years of owning my Camaro since new I have not had a single issue with visibility. People then get mad at me because my experience with the Camaro does not fit their narrative. I have said it in another social media group if you cannot handle the Camaro in this regard then you probably cannot handle that dream car you want because the ones I see on peoples list have the same or worse visibility. Yeah GM will probably have to adjust to people who don't do things properly.

Agreed. I just gave a "car guy" coworker friend a ride this week for first time and the first thing he asked is "how are you doing with the blind spots". My truthful response was "Honestly, I've heard about this supposed problem, but I have not understood where the problem is. I am having no issues." Maybe I expected a bit of reduced visibility because it's kind of obvious when looking at the car from outside. All worth it to me though.

[SS71SS24]

Back in the 70s and 80s, I owned three C3 Corvette Coupes. Swoping fenders, down low seating and claustrophobics cabins. The first was my DD. No one, including the big-name magazines, ever commented on the visibility. No one complained. It was part of the mystique and cool factor.
The C6 Camaro visibility is worlds better, even without the panoramic rear-view mirror. I've been a licensed driver since the late 60s and have no issue at my pretty advanced age. And I stand a whopping 5'6".
Message to the younger set: Buy a pickup and jack it up like the others and you'll see all you want/need.