[kropscamaro16]

they are a great on track option but if you dont track your car they are not worth it and they are not as adjustable as a full coilover would be what is your goal?

[Hellamass]

Fortune auto's 510's work well for track. See my post.

[sactownbwoy]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

I was just here to point out the fallacy that one is definitively better than the other for every condition, always. KW wins tons of races, people are saying they aren't a good choice for the track... that's a very stupid statement. Then the TIEN comparison was made, and we were fully off the rails because they are like a step above Godspeed and Megan Racing... at any rate, my point is and always was that the blanket statement (and, indeed, most ANY blanket statement) that KW weren't good on the track was about as daft as licking a live power wire.

Tein is about 50 steps above Godspeed and Megan Racing. They are a top notch Japanese brand. Driving an American car you may not be too aware of them but they are a legit suspension company in Japan and have been doing it for since 1985 and started as an OEM supplier in Japan, then branched out to start making their own.


They don't have much for American cars.

[SuperSnake1972]

Anybody have experience with D2 Racing ? They are 36 way adjustable instead of the regular 32. They run in the $1ooo range. Looks to be good quality.

[SuperSnake1972]

Check out D2 Racing, they really are a racing team and an ISO 9001 certified manufacturing company. The ones you would want are their D-CH-10 kit on ebay, price is $1015+ tax and the kit is 36 way adjustable. That's 4 more times than the 32 way adjustable coilovers you see everywhere.

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by SuperSnake1972

Check out D2 Racing, they really are a racing team and an ISO 9001 certified manufacturing company. The ones you would want are their D-CH-10 kit on ebay, price is $1015+ tax and the kit is 36 way adjustable. That's 4 more times than the 32 way adjustable coilovers you see everywhere.

Let's just put some facts on this recommendation:

1. If you go to D2 Racing's actual website and look up Camaro parts, all you get is air shocks. I think that says a lot about where they are in the market.
2. They aren't racing anything. That's a bad joke.
3. No set of four coilovers that sells for $1k is made in the US, nor is it some new, unique design to this company. Coilovers like that cost at least 2x that much, and usually even more. Their site says what they sell there is "designed, built and tested in our state-of-the-art manufacturing facility..." Okay, well that explains why they only sell this coilover kit on eBay: it's 100% Chinesium. Also, I guarantee you it's some off-the-shelf shitty shock/strut that has a sheet metal collar attached to the bottom to adapt it to a Camaro, just like every other $1k set of coilovers like Tein, BC Racing, Pedderphiles, and all the rest of the hot garbage being foisted onto the aftermarket. These pieces of junk necessarily have less travel than a properly designed shock/strut.
4. These are not "36-way adjustable." They are one-way adjustable and have 36 detents in the single adjuster. What they are claiming is straight of the movie Spinal Tap: "Ours go to 11." That tells you these people are morons and have no idea what "X-way adjustable" even means, and/or they are counting on selling their products to people who also don't understand how any of this works. The most "ways" of adjustments on shocks that I know of are four-way (high- and low-speed rebound and compression), and these are only found on extremely high-end racing dampers with remote reservoirs that cost anywhere from $5k and up for a Camaro.
5. The fact that they tell you these have "Full Ride Height Adjustability With Separate Spring Preload" is laughable, too. This is a function of the aforementioned cheesy-ass metal brackets threaded onto the bottoms. But threading those things up and down does the same thing as threading the spring collar up or down. The whole preload thing - or how suspensions and cornering weights work at all - is completely misunderstood by 100% of people buying this crap. Whether or not anybody at DC Racing (racing...) understands this or is just defrauding customers is up for debate, but either way they suck.

All of these $1k coilover kits with threaded sheet metal collars at the bottom are pieces of shit. You do get what you pay for. Let's stop pretending otherwise.

[sactownbwoy]

Originally Posted by Msquared

Let's just put some facts on this recommendation:

1. If you go to D2 Racing's actual website and look up Camaro parts, all you get is air shocks. I think that says a lot about where they are in the market.
2. They aren't racing anything. That's a bad joke.
3. No set of four coilovers that sells for $1k is made in the US, nor is it some new, unique design to this company. Coilovers like that cost at least 2x that much, and usually even more. Their site says what they sell there is "designed, built and tested in our state-of-the-art manufacturing facility..." Okay, well that explains why they only sell this coilover kit on eBay: it's 100% Chinesium. Also, I guarantee you it's some off-the-shelf shitty shock/strut that has a sheet metal collar attached to the bottom to adapt it to a Camaro, just like every other $1k set of coilovers like Tein, BC Racing, Pedderphiles, and all the rest of the hot garbage being foisted onto the aftermarket. These pieces of junk necessarily have less travel than a properly designed shock/strut.
4. These are not "36-way adjustable." They are one-way adjustable and have 36 detents in the single adjuster. What they are claiming is straight of the movie Spinal Tap: "Ours go to 11." That tells you these people are morons and have no idea what "X-way adjustable" even means, and/or they are counting on selling their products to people who also don't understand how any of this works. The most "ways" of adjustments on shocks that I know of are four-way (high- and low-speed rebound and compression), and these are only found on extremely high-end racing dampers with remote reservoirs that cost anywhere from $5k and up for a Camaro.
5. The fact that they tell you these have "Full Ride Height Adjustability With Separate Spring Preload" is laughable, too. This is a function of the aforementioned cheesy-ass metal brackets threaded onto the bottoms. But threading those things up and down does the same thing as threading the spring collar up or down. The whole preload thing - or how suspensions and cornering weights work at all - is completely misunderstood by 100% of people buying this crap. Whether or not anybody at DC Racing (racing...) understands this or is just defrauding customers is up for debate, but either way they suck.

All of these $1k coilover kits with threaded sheet metal collars at the bottom are pieces of shit. You do get what you pay for. Let's stop pretending otherwise.

Not sure why everyone keeps bringing Tein into this. They don't even make anything for the Camaro. Their products mostly cater to the Japanese cars, since they are a Japanese brand.


I used to have a set of them on my RX7 FD when I was in Japan and when I had my BRZ was actually going to get a set for it.


Tein does make low end stuff of the people that just want to lower their car and they make high end stuff for the racers but again, we on this forum aren't going to be using them unless you happen to have a Japanese car.

[SuperSnake1972]

So, if D2 coilovers are a POS @ $1K, then what does that make the factory $375 struts and shocks then ? Also, if you just want them for the street it's to "clean up" your suspension by having "married" shocks/struts and springs compared to "divorced" shocks/struts and springs from the factory. And don't forget to clean up your stock intake with either a Soler or BKK throttle body.

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by SuperSnake1972

So, if D2 coilovers are a POS @ $1K, then what does that make the factory $375 struts and shocks then ?

I'd call them a bargain for a factory-spec'd, high-quality damper set with full suspensions travel. They don't include a janky, threaded-on bottom strut mount to adapt a terrible one-size-fits-all damper to every fan boi's car...and that's a feature, not a bug. And they aren't sold exclusively on eBay by air shock purveyors pretending to be a race team, which again is a feature, not a bug.

Also, if you just want them for the street it's to "clean up" your suspension by having "married" shocks/struts and springs compared to "divorced" shocks/struts and springs from the factory. And don't forget to clean up your stock intake with either a Soler or BKK throttle body.

Ummmmm...okay? I'm not sure how to respond to that.