[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Artos

It just depends on the individual...if the vette owner (or any flavor) is a true car enthusiast, he/she doesn't have a chip on their shoulder or give any negative vibe regardless of model.

I pulled into the auto parts store the other day & a bunch of Ford guys were having some sorta mini show of sorts...while walking in I just tried to kill them wth kindness & said hey / nice rides & half reciprocated & the others gave me the stink eye. It is what it is & really don't get the whole nasty side.

I don't get it either. I have never been a snob. I wave at SS's when they do, etc, but 'stang's won't wave. Mopar's wave or nod, but something about 'stang's is that they must take a pill to make their shit not stink.

[GTSLOW]

1LE package with no DSSV?

Huh?

[mblum]

I have found most Vette owners show plenty of respect to the 6th gen ZL1, especially if the Vette owner can drive their car. The ones that don't drive the car and putt around in their garage queens aren't the people I want to converse with anyway as they are the ones who typically think the Vette is a far superior car.

In past generations the Vette community definitely had the better engineered platform (especially when the C5 came out, I have a soft spot for a C5 Z06) and I can see why they would look down their noses at the F-body.

I found it particularly amusing at the track when they expect to shake the ZL1 at every corner or straight but find them keeping pace with a Z06. As a matter of fact I have found the the ZL1 seems to put power down during corner exit than a LT4 Z06 even though they have a lighter car with wider rear tires. I have had a few Z06 owners comment on how I was pulling on them slightly at corner exit where they had traction issues, this is stock to stock though.

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by mblum

I have found most Vette owners show plenty of respect to the 6th gen ZL1, especially if the Vette owner can drive their car. The ones that don't drive the car and putt around in their garage queens aren't the people I want to converse with anyway as they are the ones who typically think the Vette is a far superior car.

In past generations the Vette community definitely had the better engineered platform (especially when the C5 came out, I have a soft spot for a C5 Z06) and I can see why they would look down their noses at the F-body.

I found it particularly amusing at the track when they expect to shake the ZL1 at every corner or straight but find them keeping pace with a Z06. As a matter of fact I have found the the ZL1 seems to put power down during corner exit than a LT4 Z06 even though they have a lighter car with wider rear tires. I have had a few Z06 owners comment on how I was pulling on them slightly at corner exit where they had traction issues, this is stock to stock though.

ZL1 definitely puts power down better/easier on track than Z06, the Z06 is much lighter over rear wheels. Many who have driven both on track attest to this.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

ZL1 definitely puts power down better/easier on track than Z06, the Z06 is much lighter over rear wheels. Many who have driven both on track attest to this.

Yep. The Z06 would have been better off with 550 hp Max. The Z06 and ZR1 just can't handle that much power without having to fight it.

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Yep. The Z06 would have been better off with 550 hp Max. The Z06 and ZR1 just can't handle that much power without having to fight it.

I dont know if great Z06 drivers would agree with that. I know some Z06/ZR1 guys who can make the most of all the power (not me), it's just more difficult and can quickly bite you if you're not up to the task. Takes a very skilled driver with excellent car control skills, and then the Z06 will beat the ZL1 1LE by 1-2 seconds assuming same driver.

On the other hand, the Z06 will overheat when driven hard on a warm day. In the end that's a deal breaker for me, ZL1 M6 never overheats, and it cools down very fast.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

I dont know if great Z06 drivers would agree with that. I know some Z06/ZR1 guys who can make the most of all the power (not me), it's just more difficult and can quickly bite you if you're not up to the task. Takes a very skilled driver with excellent car control skills, and then the Z06 will beat the ZL1 1LE by 1-2 seconds assuming same driver.

On the other hand, the Z06 will overheat when driven hard on a warm day. In the end that's a deal breaker for me, ZL1 M6 never overheats, and it cools down very fast.

Agreed. Except the 2017+ Z06s will not overheat unless they're driven VERY hard for 20 minutes or more on 85+ degree days. That's what it takes to truly "overheat" them. Not many street cars that wouldn't overheat in such conditions.

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Yep. The Z06 would have been better off with 550 hp Max. The Z06 and ZR1 just can't handle that much power without having to fight it.

Interesting because I not only own and rip on both cars, but I just got to beat the piss out of C7 Z06s all weekend at Ron Fellows Driving School at Spring Mountain, on both a large track, short technical track, autocross and handling oval and never once felt the car was "too powerful" or "couldn't handle the power". It's got tons of tire underneath it, a great PTM system, and eLSD, all of which are equal or superior to the ZL1. With the transmission in the rear and lighter weight, it has superior weight distribution than the Camaro and has near equal weight over the back tires because of it (Exact, maybe not, but near, yes). Furthermore, and there's no way to say this without sounding like a bragger, I'm a pretty experienced driver and was running within 2 seconds of the fastest instructor by my third session when both were in equal cars, so it wasn't for a lack of pushing it hard. I would be lying if I said PTM (Which I drove in Sport 1) never kicked in, but certainly it was never anywhere near out of control, and I was on throttle early and heavy out of every corner in 2nd and 3rd gears. It's a monster on the track.

Also, the ZR1 is the same way and then some. With a slightly more pliable chassis/setup, it's even easier to drive around a track. This is according to instructors at Spring Mountain, who instruct not only professional drivers like Jimmie Johnson, but drivers in IMSA, NASCAR, Super Trofeo, etc. Some of the instructors, a couple of which I met, race professionally in those very series.

Don't let the internet rumors lie to you...

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Agreed. Except the 2017+ Z06s will not overheat unless they're driven VERY hard for 20 minutes or more on 85+ degree days. That's what it takes to truly "overheat" them. Not many street cars that wouldn't overheat in such conditions.

That's basically the point I was trying to make, and the 2017+ changes didn't adequately solve it IMO. If it overheats after driving hard for 20+ minutes on 85+ degree days that's still an overheating problem and I dont want a car that does that. My ZLE doesn't overheat under those conditions. I'll take my 1-2 seconds slower ZLE and drive all day with no worries.

Even driving only May-June and Sept-Oct here in so cal you'll regularly encounter 85+. That's a nice day for the track, I just want to focus on getting faster and not crashing.

I've also heard of a stock ZR1 overheating on a not super hot day, after 15 minutes in the hands of a good driver. This is 1 data point, but it happened and surprised me considering the substantial airflow openings on ZR1.

[Revalot]

Originally Posted by GTSLOW

1LE package with no DSSV?

Huh?

I got the ZL1 slightly used, the previous owner put all the genuine factory 1LE items on except dynamic suspensions spool vavle/DSSV (dampers). For me its perfect ! Look's, function, and magnetic ride !

[Pepsiguru]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

I get peace signs and thumbs up from Vettes, and lots of photos and conversations with Vette owners at the track. Here in CA many Vette owners definitely see us as one family.

Same here


No issues at all . . .

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

I dont know if great Z06 drivers would agree with that. I know some Z06/ZR1 guys who can make the most of all the power (not me), it's just more difficult and can quickly bite you if you're not up to the task. Takes a very skilled driver with excellent car control skills, and then the Z06 will beat the ZL1 1LE by 1-2 seconds assuming same driver.

On the other hand, the Z06 will overheat when driven hard on a warm day. In the end that's a deal breaker for me, ZL1 M6 never overheats, and it cools down very fast.

When Probst was driving the ZL1 Camaro, he commented on how much easier it is to drive and how much better handling the Camaro was than the Z06. He didn't say that the Camaro was faster, I don't think, just that it was more confidence inspiring and how much better the Alpha platform puts down the power compared to the C7 Corvette. He often knows what he is talking about and he isn't the first to say so.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

When Probst was driving the ZL1 Camaro, he commented on how much easier it is to drive and how much better handling the Camaro was than the Z06. He didn't say that the Camaro was faster, I don't think, just that it was more confidence inspiring and how much better the Alpha platform puts down the power compared to the C7 Corvette. He often knows what he is talking about and he isn't the first to say so.

Due to being a heavier car with a softer suspension setup, the ZL1 is a little more pliable and fun to drive, sure. It is no better at not-spinning the tires than the Z06 is though with 30 less section width and a nose heavy stance. They had ZL1 1LE's at Spring Mountain, the lead instructor I got to chatting with said the ZL1/1LE's are more fun on the track in his opinion but they're not as fast. Plus, the other things I mentioned before make them slightly less intimidating to drive. He did say the C7 Z06 was the most car to handle, even over the ZR1, as it has a more rigid setup. We're talking minute differences here. All of these cars are within a 3 second gap I'd say and are brutally fast around a race course. They'll all hold 1+ G's around corners and give you bruises after a day of bracing yourself.

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by drfeelgood

First, I'm sorry someone hurt your feelings

Second, most of the ZL1 guys stay in here, and don't really venture out in the other parts of the forums, for a number of reasons.

I don't think anyone here goes into SS or RS forums and talks crap. What usually happens is someone comes in here and makes a smart a$$ comment, and gets their face wiped with the floor and their feelings hurt when people have to defend the Zl1. Beyond that, I just don't think anyone here just talks crap about other Camaros unless provoked or in defense.

Truth be told, there are a few ZL1 guys here who have a chip on their shoulder.

[Artos]

Well I'm sure if I said something rash to another member / members on another thread during a debate, then we could discuss the particulars of the individual topic at hand...this thread is about making eye contact / meeting other enthusiasts in person & getting both friendly & unfriendly responses based upon what we can assume what car one owns.

I didn't even consider he was making a broad statement of any & all posts / threads on the history of camro6??