[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

It's probably be a surprise to the dumbasses claiming the '18 is underrated or that average dynos show 10+whp difference. Didn't translate to actual performance as expected.

Nobody is surprised the PP1 lost to the 1LE on the track. You can't over come the tire deficit. I think most were waiting on the 1/4 mile time results. The quarter mile results were not great for either car, the comments about running them out to a mile affirms the GT is making the power higher in the RPM band a 6-mph deficit for the 1LE is more concerning than the tenth the GT lost by in the 1/4.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Nobody is surprised the PP1 lost to the 1LE on the track. You can't over come the tire deficit. I think most were waiting on the 1/4 mile time results. The quarter mile results were not great for either car, the comments about running them out to a mile affirms the GT is making the power higher in the RPM band a 6-mph deficit for the 1LE is more concerning than the tenth the GT lost by in the 1/4.

But which is more useable, going 157mph or down low getting to speed quicker.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Nobody is surprised the PP1 lost to the 1LE on the track. You can't over come the tire deficit. I think most were waiting on the 1/4 mile time results. The quarter mile results were not great for either car, the comments about running them out to a mile affirms the GT is making the power higher in the RPM band a 6-mph deficit for the 1LE is more concerning than the tenth the GT lost by in the 1/4.

Yep and the loss in the 1/4 shows the weight penalty affect. I would like to see the 1/8 ET and MPH. I bet the deficit was bigger there, but as the GT builds speed that extra power starts scraping away at it.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Where abouts in the Upstate SC area are you? I live here too and as of today am getting 255/275 ALL SEASON tires put on my 2017 SS 1LE. If you have a S550 PP Mustang I would be more than happy to show you it is NOT just about the tires. Is 255/275 the same size as the PP1?

Edit: Please don't read that as some sort of jab. Just thought it might be fun to compare cars with similar tires, if you have an S550.

Simpsonville area. At home today from the massive snowfall.

I've switched compounds before...and it made a world of difference. I'm all in for Firestone Firehawk Indy 500's...great tire and a phenomenal price. Just changing compound for me made an enormous difference. The firestones hook up better and are WAY more predictable than my old tires.

But yes, 255/275 is the same size as a PP1. But I'd venture to say by you downgrading sizes....your steering feel is going to drastically change and you will soon experience much more under-steer than you previously had. From all accounts, the stock SS 1LE tires seemed to be a very, very good tire.

If you ever want to meet up, I'm game.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

But which is more useable, going 157mph or down low getting to speed quicker.

Depends...anyone that is into roll racing would much rather have that top end pull.

[SSfriendly]

Food for thought....

"While testing the car at Grattan Raceway in Michigan, the Level 2 package shaved 3.5 seconds from the Lap time of the Level 1 package. Impressive considering there was no power increase."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...2-info-photos/

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Food for thought....

"While testing the car at Grattan Raceway in Michigan, the Level 2 package shaved 3.5 seconds from the Lap time of the Level 1 package. Impressive considering there was no power increase."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...2-info-photos/

Ford also said the GT350TP was within .01 seconds around Grattan compared to the C7 Z51. But when C&D compared them at Big Willow, it was 1.3 seconds behind the C7. I'll wait for an independent test.

https://www.mustang6g.com/?p=7085
https://www.caranddriver.com/compari...ray-z51-page-2


Side note, can some get the weights for both as tested for this H2H? Interested to see the difference and how much the TQ deficit plays in the 1/4.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Simpsonville area. At home today from the massive snowfall.

I've switched compounds before...and it made a world of difference. I'm all in for Firestone Firehawk Indy
500's...great tire and a phenomenal price. Just changing compound for me made an enormous difference.
The firestones hook up better and are WAY more predictable than my old tires.

But yes, 255/275 is the same size as a PP1. But I'd venture to say by you downgrading sizes....
your steering feel is going to drastically change and you will soon experience much more under-steer
than you previously had. From all accounts, the stock SS 1LE tires seemed to be a very, very good tire.

If you ever want to meet up, I'm game.

I'm actually in Simpsonville too. Five Forks area. Car is in the Garage today as ironically I had planned to
borrow a friends truck to take my spare SS wheels and get the General GMAX AS-05s mounted to them
today. Glad I had his 4wd truck instead of my car this morning. Although I probably would've just taken
the wifes 4wd escape since her office is closed today. I would be happy to meet up in the future.
I assume you do have an S550? What year?

I have experience with the standard SS steering feel and traction. Curious to see how it feels on my 1LE
though. Interestingly enough, I have recorded my fastest 0-60 time in a standard SS and am consistently
a tenth slower in my 1LE on the OEM Goodyear Supercar 3's. Probaly because I don't air down for best
results usually just run at 32psi.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

I'm actually in Simpsonville too. Five Forks area. Car is in the Garage today as ironically I had planned to borrow a friends truck to take my spare SS wheels and get the General GMAX AS-05s mounted to them today. Glad I had his 4wd truck instead of my car this morning. Although I probably would've just taken the wifes 4wd escape since her office is closed today. I would be happy to meet up in the future. I assume you do have an S550? What year?

I have experience with the standard SS steering feel and traction. Curious to see how it feels on my 1LE though. It is worth noting that for some reason or another I have recorded my fastest 0-60 time in a standard SS and am consistently a tenth slower in my 1LE on the OEM Goodyear Supercar 3's.

Harrison Bridge road and Fairview area here. Car is currently in the snow...need to build a shed so I can start using the garage again.

16GT with PP1...you finally pried it out of me.

Those wheels and tires are heavier than the standard SS. My guess is, You're taking a hit at trying to get them rotating....although I would think that would be negated by being able to launch more aggressively with those meaty rears.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Depends...anyone that is into roll racing would much rather have that top end pull.

Isn't the GT limited to around 160 or so?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Those wheels and tires are heavier than the standard SS. My guess is, You're taking a hit at trying to get them rotating....although I would think that would be negated by being able to launch more aggressively with those meaty rears.

Probably the weight penalty for all the 1LE equipment is more of the reason for the slower 0-60, negating the better tire.

[Gunmetalmissle]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Food for thought....

"While testing the car at Grattan Raceway in Michigan, the Level 2 package shaved 3.5 seconds from the Lap time of the Level 1 package. Impressive considering there was no power increase."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...2-info-photos/

I believe Grattan is a much longer track than what was used for the h2h.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Isn't the GT limited to around 160 or so?

Yep...not a whole lot of area to go faster than that though in most places.

[BlaqWhole]

Didn't Edmunds run a 12.5 in the A10 trans? That is still slower than the best run the SS has done with the M6 trans. And for the record, didn't the SS with A8 run as fast as a 12.3 in the past? Admittedly that is within a driver's race when comparing the fastest. But the SS has consistently tested faster even when comparing the slowest SS run to the fastest 18 GT run. And of course the GT is no match on the track, lol!

What I find funny is that the Mustang crowd all this time has been saying it wasn't much of a difference between the 15-17 GT and the 6th Gen SS. Then FOrd announces performance numbers for the 18 GT and they all claim an early victory talking that low 12 nonsense and that it would be faster than the GT350(R) etc. Then a few of them get one and go around talking about how fast it is and how much of a world of difference it is over the 15-17...just for it to not beat the 6th Gen SS which again they all claimed was not much faster than the 15-17 GT. This is hilarious

To go back again, there is no way in hell that Ford was going to let the GT beat or even match the Shelby. And since the SS was on the heels of the GT350 and the SS 1LE was on the heels of the GT350R that in turn means the GT will lag behind the SS. All that talk about Shelby owners not caring about performance and yada yada was complete bullshit. Nobody pays $65K MSRP and then pays additional mark ups on a high tier Mustang just for the GT to come in at half the price and match the performance. Once the Shelby is done for then it'll get interesting. But as long as it, or any other higher tier NA Mustang V8, is available the GT will play second (or third, or fourth) fiddle.