[Nabush]

I'm also really eager to see this comparison.

Like many I think to be fair 2018 GT M6 PP1 should be compared to 1SS Camaro.

PP2 would be a better match for the 1LE, though not so different from PP1 except from the tires ans wheels, and little aero mods

For what I can tell, having owned a 2017 Camaro 2.0T for 9 month, and currently owning a 2017 Corvette C7 GrandSport M7 and a 2018 Mustang GT M6 PP1 :

- Mustang is way more liveable on a daily basis / with kids
- The revised 5.0 Coyote is my opinion a better engine than the LT1 because :

* It's more refined
* It sounds better
* The powerband is greater, almost as much torque, punch above 4500
and 7500 redline with no loss of power (LT1 is great is the 4500-6200
range)
- Compared to the Corvette gearbox the new MT82-4 is faster, greater to use, but I know the Camaro SS gearbox is great. On the Vette the transaxle complicate things
- Brake bite is really good in the Mustang

As far as Performance it still feels to much the LT1 is more punchy (but my vette is also a lot lighter), especially at low speeds

As far as handling, the Camaro feels more planted (I don't speak about the C7 GS which is a handling marvel), precise. On the road the 2018 PP1 feels pretty good, but not as sharp

I have almost no doubt the SS will be faster (slightly ?) on a roadcourse, and 1LE still slighly faster than the PP2, even more in the long run because of cooling

I just took one time my Stang on mountains roads for now (and on winter tires), but the car was a lot of fun because of the engine, brakes and gearbox

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by Nabush

I'm also really eager to see this comparison.

Like many I think to be fair 2018 GT M6 PP1 should be compared to 1SS Camaro.

PP2 would be a better match for the 1LE, though not so different from PP1 except from the tires ans wheels, and little aero mods

For what I can tell, having owned a 2017 Camaro 2.0T for 9 month, and currently owning a 2017 Corvette C7 GrandSport M7 and a 2018 Mustang GT M6 PP1 :

- Mustang is way more liveable on a daily basis / with kids
- The revised 5.0 Coyote is my opinion a better engine than the LT1 because :

* It's more refined
* It sounds better
* The powerband is greater, almost as much torque, punch above 4500
and 7500 redline with no loss of power (LT1 is great is the 4500-6200
range)
- Compared to the Corvette gearbox the new MT82-4 is faster, greater to use, but I know the Camaro SS gearbox is great. On the Vette the transaxle complicate things
- Brake bite is really good in the Mustang

As far as Performance it still feels to much the LT1 is more punchy (but my vette is also a lot lighter), especially at low speeds

As far as handling, the Camaro feels more planted (I don't speak about the C7 GS which is a handling marvel), precise. On the road the 2018 PP1 feels pretty good, but not as sharp

I have almost no doubt the SS will be faster (slightly ?) on a roadcourse, and 1LE still slighly faster than the PP2, even more in the long run because of cooling

I just took one time my Stang on mountains roads for now (and on winter tires), but the car was a lot of fun because of the engine, brakes and gearbox

How does it make sense that a performance pack car should be compared to the cheapest SS you can possibly buy?

Your opinion on the engines kind of went out the window for me at the mention of virtually the same torque when clearly not only is it significantly less, but also the curve isn't anything special.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

How does it make sense that a performance pack car should be compared to the cheapest SS you can possibly buy?

Your opinion on the engines kind of went out the window for me at the mention of virtually the same torque when clearly not only is it significantly less, but also the curve isn't anything special.

I agree with Nabush. The closest thing to a base Mustang GT PP1 is the 1SS Camaro from both a price and content standpoint. The Camaro essentially comes standard with PP1 content and the price reflects that. There was talk of Camaro being offered with a cheaper / more bare bones setup on the SS -- maybe that will happen for MY19.

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

How does it make sense that a performance pack car should be compared to the cheapest SS you can possibly buy?

Your opinion on the engines kind of went out the window for me at the mention of virtually the same torque when clearly not only is it significantly less, but also the curve isn't anything special.

Maybe because the PP and 1SS are comparable options wise? He didn't say virtually the same torque. He said almost. Just saying. 92.5% is in the realm of almost.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Nabush

I'm also really eager to see this comparison.

Like many I think to be fair 2018 GT M6 PP1 should be compared to 1SS Camaro.

PP2 would be a better match for the 1LE, though not so different from PP1 except from the tires ans wheels, and little aero mods

For what I can tell, having owned a 2017 Camaro 2.0T for 9 month, and currently owning a 2017 Corvette C7 GrandSport M7 and a 2018 Mustang GT M6 PP1 :
Is
- Mustang is way more liveable on a daily basis / with kids
- The revised 5.0 Coyote is my opinion a better engine than the LT1 because :

* It's more refined
* It sounds better
* The powerband is greater, almost as much torque, punch above 4500
and 7500 redline with no loss of power (LT1 is great is the 4500-6200
range)
- Compared to the Corvette gearbox the new MT82-4 is faster, greater to use, but I know the Camaro SS gearbox is great. On the Vette the transaxle complicate things
- Brake bite is really good in the Mustang

As far as Performance it still feels to much the LT1 is more punchy (but my vette is also a lot lighter), especially at low speeds

As far as handling, the Camaro feels more planted (I don't speak about the C7 GS which is a handling marvel), precise. On the road the 2018 PP1 feels pretty good, but not as sharp

I have almost no doubt the SS will be faster (slightly ?) on a roadcourse, and 1LE still slighly faster than the PP2, even more in the long run because of cooling

I just took one time my Stang on mountains roads for now (and on winter tires), but the car was a lot of fun because of the engine, brakes and gearbox

Excellent feedback and congrats on the car purchases!!

Could you elaborate more on this comment:
- Mustang is way more liveable on a daily basis / with kids

I use my 1SS as a daily driver for 3 seasons and often take my 6 and 8 year old on short trips in town.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Seems he was comparing to the Corvette when he mention liveable

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

How does it make sense that a performance pack car should be compared to the cheapest SS you can possibly buy?

Your opinion on the engines kind of went out the window for me at the mention of virtually the same torque when clearly not only is it significantly less, but also the curve isn't anything special.

Because I bought my 2018 GT PP M6 with 301A option (Sync 3 8 inch screen 9 HP full LED etc) for 37k brand new, which is the price of a 1SS base more or less...

The 1LE is to compare to PP2, though I will stay pretty positive the 1LE will be faster on the track cause the GM platform is a wonderfull handling one

On the paper the torque is far better for the Camaro, on the dyno it is almost the same, with 400lbt at the wheels or so .... and 420HP+ at the wheels (all stock one hit govenor in 4th at 6800 rpm and power still climbing



You can see you will have 400+ to the wheels from 5500 to 7500....

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

Excellent feedback and congrats on the car purchases!!

Could you elaborate more on this comment:
- Mustang is way more liveable on a daily basis / with kids

I use my 1SS as a daily driver for 3 seasons and often take my 6 and 8 year old on short trips in town.

Compared to a Camaro you have way more space inside.

- I can fit on the rear seats of the stang and i have room for my legs with someone in the front seat..But I'm almost touching my head... In the Camaro it was impossible
- The boot is far more accessible
- Visibility is far better (though it didn't bother me a lot in the Camaro)
- The front passenger has a lot more room/leg space

So as a Daily Driver is it much more liveable

Globally it feels less sporty, driving position is higher

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Nabush

Because I bought my 2018 GT PP M6 with 301A option (Sync 3 8 inch screen 9 HP full LED etc) for 37k brand new, which is the price of a 1SS base more or less...

The 1LE is to compare to PP2, though I will stay pretty positive the 1LE will be faster on the track cause the GM platform is a wonderfull handling one

On the paper the torque is far better for the Camaro, on the dyno it is almost the same, with 400lbt at the wheels or so .... and 420HP+ at the wheels (all stock one hit govenor in 4th at 6800 rpm and power still climbing



You can see you will have 400+ to the wheels from 5500 to 7500....

You got a brand new 2018 for $5000 off msrp? Dealers are already giving these away. Plus how can you discount your GT yet go off msrp on the Camaro?

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

You got a brand new 2018 for $5000 off msrp? Dealers are already giving these away. Plus how can you discount your GT yet go off msrp on the Camaro?

Yep, base price was 42.5k, had 5000$ off MRSP + 500$ Ford discount

The car was dealer ordered before I signed and was shown already at this price on their website

And then they have cars with absolutely no discounts...Asked why, they were telling me it was up to Ford...

Ford sold 10 000 Mustangs in December so they have no problem selling them...

PP2 mustang should be in the same price bracket as 1LE Camaro (around 45k)

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by Nabush

On the paper the torque is far better for the Camaro, on the dyno it is almost the same

Not really. Area under the curve my friend.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by Nabush

PP2 mustang should be in the same price bracket as 1LE Camaro (around 45k)

That's a few thousand on the high side for a 1SS 1LE.

Edit: I'm wrong, 2018 prices and the package went up a bit. It seems most are getting theirs around 43K, but retails at 45K for basic 1SS+1LE.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Nabush

Compared to a Camaro you have way more space inside.

- I can fit on the rear seats of the stang and i have room for my legs with someone in the front seat..But I'm almost touching my head... In the Camaro it was impossible
- The boot is far more accessible
- Visibility is far better (though it didn't bother me a lot in the Camaro)
- The front passenger has a lot more room/leg space

So as a Daily Driver is it much more liveable

Globally it feels less sporty, driving position is higher

Thanks for that feedback. I can agree with all your points, though I make my 1SS work as a daily driver + something I can still pick my kids up from school in (for mostly short trips).

I didn't realize the Mustang had that much bigger of a rear seat.

I think GM should have gone with the ATS coupe interior proportions (slightly larger rear seat room).

[Nabush]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Not really. Area under the curve my friend.

Before 4500 I agree, but on the 4500-6000 the torque is the same (if not greater) and after the stang continues to make power when the LT1 goes down....You have a wider power band on the Coyote

Personally even with my vette, on a roadcourse or night mountain driving () I'm alway above 4000-4500 rpm

The new 5.0 Coyote is a far more modern engine; don't get me wrong, i like the LT1 also, but the new Coyote is better ...