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Old 02-02-2017, 02:10 PM   #189
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Originally Posted by oldman View Post
As viable as any other 10 second daily driver claim IMO...




The Challenger line make excellent albeit aging daily drivers, 1/4 mile cars and daily performace cars. IMO since I've owned both (two Challengers since 2009), the Camaro is a more toss-able controllable car... that said if you want to pretend you are a hairy chest macho man and king of canyon carving, with traction control off, the Camaro is more than 99.99% of what a real man can handle in the twistiest. So that leaves how well does the Camaro perform with traction control on... um bout the same as a Challenger, sure you can brake harder into a turn, but you want to exit the turn by applying the throttle, it ain't happening with either car.

I just attended the first season autoX, the factory 1LE 2017 was absolutely totally completely destroyed by stock Miatas, FRS, Civic SI et all...

So dunno, clearly the 6th gen is dominant on long road races, I personally doubt this equates to an equal gap in street manners.

Street fun um both the Challenger and Camaro are fun, both are traction limited, the Camaro has an edge but not enough to really make up for the compromises for many.

1st) The Dodge can be had in 4 door and the Charger is IMO a clearly better car than the SS
2nd) The Challenger has WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY better ride from stock to crazy stiff suspension.
3rd) The Challenger has seating for 5 and can actually sit 4 reasonably size adults. My kids can't even fit in the back of the Camaro... so really it is a 2 seater.
4th) both cars are traction limited in all aspects. The Camaro can brake harder and later into a turn...but NEITHER car can take throttle out of the turn and neither car can be safely driven without traction control. Power on and WOT is completely unavailable with both rides sans traction control in terms of long term use. yes I'm sure there are real men that are exiting corners all the time with no traction control, but we all know that is pure fantasy. My 6th gen is completely and totally traction limited unless completlye straight with completely stable chassis ( no transitions like from a corner exit) and completely smooth shifting and needs a slow application of throttle... ie a lot of work. So is the 6th gen a faster / quicker DD, um neither can be driven sans traction control.. I have about 1000 or 1500 blast upto 75 MPH on my 6th gen, I'm pretty confidant I have evaluated the true street manners of the Camaro... bout 5000 to 10,000 blast upto 75 ish on my Challengers...

The last autoX from last year was at a road race track. The RWD driven by Joe Average, were in general all over the place and that included the weeds, cause many or all of us "racers" can't handle little hills and dipps on a RWD platform... you know like the REAL ROAD.




I don't get how you switch from the Demon as impracticable, to all Challengers and now to all Fiats... dunno.
There is so much misinformation in this post I wouldn't even know where to start...
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