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Originally Posted by 20171LE
The bold is because I am so sick and tired of people continually dismissing the legitimate visibility/blind spot issue and pretending it's only a problem with testers and non-owners. I am neither, I own a 2016 SS, and the car has poor visibility and blind spots.
Opinions are fine, but blind fanboism attempting to suppress legitimate issues is not.
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What about your equally dismissive attitude towards those who post that they have no problem with the car? What makes you right and them wrong? Calling us fanboys because we like what we've got is not an opinion or a valid argument at all...
You'll forgive me for saying this, but based on your posting history, I think you bought the wrong car...
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Originally Posted by Memphis43
To be fair, Ford does offer way more performance vehicles than GM. There aren't exactly many choices besides the Camaro that a consumer can go to in the current lineup.
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This is a totally different topic, but I hope to heck that their forthcoming performance models finally light the fire under GM's butt to put something exciting out there besides the Corvette, Camaro, and hi-po Cadillacs...
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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife
I'm not saying the Camaro is a terrible car, it's a great sport coupe with sub-par visibility and utility. Just white-washing everything and saying the car is fantastic with no flaws or no short-comings is just encouraging laziness and lack of improvements with future cars.
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I think you mistake what we're saying...I don't speak for everyone - but I've never been in a reasonable situation that my Camaro hasn't been able to handle. Hell, I've stuffed 26 2x4s and other construction supplies in the trunk with the seat down before...
No vehicle will EVER satisfy the needs of all individuals...but I absolutely believe that the trade offs in utility that were made for the sake of style and performance of Camaro were worth it.
And I'd like to repeat what a person said earlier in this thread: None of the topics we're talking about are actually 'BAD', or 'UNSAFE'...or the car wouldn't even be on the road...but they are less so than some cars around it. And yet...they are also better than some cars around it.
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Originally Posted by bballr4567
Why does everyone think the styling would stink if we had another 2" of side glass? It will still retain the exact same shape just shrunk.
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Because it WOULD. Ask the designers...I have, on numerous occasions throughout the 5th gen's cycle, and the introduction of the Gen 6.
Fault them for lack of talent or vision, if you want to try...but if you drastically change the glass area, other things would have to be changed in order to accommodate that.
It will look miserable without a total departure from the current Camaro design language. And that's important to understand. They can do it...but you're not just adding glass...the whole car's image would change. That could result in something looking like a BMW...a kidney-grilled jellybean designed by the unimaginative...The Camaro inspires passion and excitement, not utility briefcases...
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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife
I want the Camaro to be the *best*. I want it to have the best performance, best livability and best visibility. I don't want to tides changing against such a truly great performing car because people can't comfortably and reliably see out of the damn thing and get something else instead.
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You can't please 100% of people 100% of the time.
The Camaro is what it is...and will be this way for at least the rest of the generation. And it's a GREAT car, all detractions considered.
If people don't like it enough...then don't buy it. And perhaps then GM will change their minds. But so long as it sells well enough to be profitable and worth their time and investment...then they're right, and those who think it's a mistake is wrong.
As I read through this thread...what I think this really boils down to is a case of Mustang-envy with a smattering of "design the car for me" syndrome.