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Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

I personally think that if Joe reported it to the athletic director, then he did his job. The athletic director should be the one to get roasted, not Joe. It's not his place to go to the cops, as I'm sure there are procedures to follow in these circumstances.

Maybe I'm missing something.

You're missing something... No offense intended.... Reporting it to a supervisor does not end responsibility... That's a start... when little or nothing is done, then it only makes you culpable if you do not follow up, up to and including going to the police... Would you so quickly forgive anyone... ANYONE... involved if they even had an inkling of knowledge and ddidn't report it... if it was your child...

Originally Posted by PQ

Having tried my best to give him the benefit of doubt, I put myself in his shoes. (assuming I'm 74 years old the way he was when he first found out what was going on. My age now I go to the shower and Sandusky doesn't leave til the copos get there or he beats my ass) An assistant just came to me and told me he saw Sandusky with a naked kid in the shower having sex do I report it to my boss and forget about it? Even watch Sandusky show up with other kids later? And just assume nothing is wrong?

Sorry. I go to the cops. He was 74 years old so he couldn't open up a can of beat down but for him to just pass the word along the chin of command is ludicrous. And so he must have been really convicing for NOTHING to have happened. The message stopped somewhere. And EVERYONE at that school from the eye witness to the last one told about it is equaly culpible in my eyes.

Again, we aren't talking about a dui cover-up, or paying players here.... children were RAPED. That word is just as hideous and vile and evil to me now as it was the first time I ever heard it and knew what it meant. Maybe it became mainstream and easy to hear down the line. But it's RAPE. And they were children.

Ugh..................

You don't just go to your boss and say...... 'Here's the budget for July, we gave 32 scholarships and have a few MRI's to complete, the feild crew needs to look at that sprinklerhead sticking up, a kid was raped in the shower, and and cancel me press conference I need to look at some game film from Saturday.

Amen...

As I am married to an NCAA Athletic Director, I hear some of the details of the occurances that occur on campus... in a much smaller University... I also hear about a lot of the shennigans the NCAA is involved with... as for the "NCAA", I personally think the whole lot should be lined up and sent to a remote island somewhere... What a catastrophic situation that is... They couldn't manage a peewee basketball tourney... It's all about money... pure and simple... and thats a shame since it involves amateur athletics..

If someone reported a similar incident to my wife, she would movee heaven and earth to remove the person, insure the police were involved... and work to expunge every remnant of that person ever having been there... and if they, the University, tried to place a gag order and failed to follow up on it, she would no longer be employed there... Yes we discussed this situation specifically...

I have no empathy, and most assuredly no sympathy for any of the persons that knew anything and are now being publicly chastised... In a case involving child abuse, sexual child abuse... they all need to rot in hell... There is even a status level among prisoners... and child abusers are the lowest form of scum even in our jacked up prisons..

Do we in the name of sports, or winning, or whatever other ****amamie excuse allow tragic events like this to go on, or to be covered up... for JoePa... for the President of the University, or the President of the United States... Come on people... If you put the reputation and standing of a coach above the safety of a child... of proper actions... of moral actions... then you need to re-evaluate your priorities...

Originally Posted by Wantconvertible

He should have called the cops,

Originally Posted by PQ

Originally Posted by Zeaux6

What specifics he knew about (or not) does not excuse him from ensuring something is done. Why he never followed up with his superiors especially after seeing that Sandusky was still around is criminal in my opinion. Put your own child in that position and question what was an obligation on Paterno's part. It is pretty easy to see since I have three kids.

Separate the football godlike image of Paterno from him just being a person with moral obligations to question when something does not seem right. In my opinion he is just as culpable.

If it wasn't Paterno, then most of this unfortunately wouldn't be nationally news worthy... That's on us... All Schools and most businesses would want this to quietly go away... but for this idiot to be allowed back on campus... Does he still have his childrens charities... if so... then I ask why... How???

Originally Posted by PQ

Memo to all of my freinds, family members, kids, and anyone I know. If you don't call the cops if someone tells you a child was being raped on your job don't call on me for sympathy.

- Randy PeQueen

Don't call me either...

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

This is a tragedy on so many levels. Not the least of which are those poor children. Seeing Jo Pa end his career like this is just a damn shame, but he just didn't do what he needed to do. We have to ask why? If he had made sure it was reported to authorites initially, this would have gone down in such a more positive manner for Joe, the administration and the entire University.

I just saw the news where Paterno was fired... good riddance... If he knew about it in 2002 and didn't do anything more than he did... he is just as culpable and should be gone...

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

It was reported that Sandusky was at the facillities last week working out. Is that not true, because if it is, that's all I need to know that they ALL must go, NOW.

yup... and unfortunately for thee remains of Penn State... They'll be years living this onee down...

Originally Posted by Zabo

Big Ten is dead.

SEC will soon follow (their shenanigans are no less than what the Big Ten is getting 'found out' on, even though the NCAA probably knew about this Penn situation for YEARS).

Then probably Pac 10 or Big 12..

Huh??? flinging crap to other locations will not reduce the implications for Penn State.. I agree, the NCAA is out of control... They ought to do away with the amateur status of all the events and participants and treat it like as it is... but then all the NCAA admins would loose their income... can't have that can we...

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Oh, also, what about the muriel of Sandusky on the football stadium/complex that they JUST today painted over. Why was that even still up there? They still had this guys picture on the football stadium up until today. What does that tell you?

uh... we know nothing..nothing...nothing... Sgt. Schultz... voice

Originally Posted by PQ

I totaly agree.

BUT, again, put yourself in Joes shoes. GA comes to you and reports that he SAW that. Heard, saw, doesn't matter, you have to protect what you love. And for Joe it was his program in this case. To simply report it and forget it is negligence. RAPE??? I'm sorry, but I know better than that.

I'm NOT saying Joe Paterno should be held criminaly responsible, but he let down that kid and a few kids later as well. And so did ANYONE at that school with knowlege of this at the time.

So, Joe Paterno has the power to tell the whole school "Screw you, I'm not quiting. I'll coach until I decide I want to quit" but doesn't have the power to make sure Sandusky is brought to light? The GA waited a day to report what he witnessed and Joe waited another day to report after that. THAT'S what's so disturbing here.

I certainly hope I'm wrong. You're Not...

AND I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT I'M FINDING OUT. And Joe Paternos own words.

Bottom line, the most powerful, influential and capable person in this whole thing was Joe. And he dropped the ball. I hate to use the old clishe' but it fits here. With great power comes great responsibility. If those who are capable and influential won't help, it makes it much harder.

Absolutely agree 100%

He should be ashamed of himself to the uttmost.

Agreed.

But even though Sandusky didn't work for Joe, Joe had the power ot make sure something was done.

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

I cannot excuse the university administration or the janitors, local police, university police or the District Attorney. They all had ample time and cause to nip this in the bud long before 2002. Same thing goes for JoePa the minute he knew... why is he exempt when none of the others are, because he's a coach... Not flying down here...

I still think JoePa did nothing wrong. Also, I do not know if he went to legal counsel or not or if he was following procedure of Penn State or not, I was simply stating how it is at another university and a company in the private sector. If I stumbled upon something like this at work, I'd be required to contact company legal counsel first who would then direct me how to involve the local authorities.

This is inherently wrong... Legal counsel first screams cover up... I'ld go to my supervisor.... and if in short order the person was still around... then I would follow up... and I would damn sure havee some answers from someone why it wasn't being pursued... or, I would have to find employment elsewhere and believe me, the news would damn sure hear about it then... and I would be asking the local police if they were aware of the situation... There is right and wrong... and fortunately I know the difference... I also remember that these cultural icons called coaches/athletes etc... are people, and not above the laws... I have more respect for the average soldier, firefighter etc... Someone that actually puts it all on thee line for us... not an overpaid premadonna...

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

Morality and Legality go hand in hand. Unfortunately in this litigious society that we now live in, it could have gone very bad for PSU (monetarily I mean) had they acted hastily and handed Sandusky over or made the accusations public.

Nowadays morality takes a back seat to legality. I'm sorry but if I'm told by a superior to STFU and GBTW and that they will take care of it, I'm going to do just that. This then covers me and my company legally. Morally, I'll hate myself but unless I can assure that I can get this to the police under complete anonymity, I'm going to stop. It's then the responsibility of the lawyer (as they know of an on-going crime) to notify the authorities.

The only way they could have gone further is if they had actively encouraged the GA to go to the police as he was the only eye witness that they knew of at the time (I don't know if they knew what the Janitors had seen).

Monetarily... big mouth full there...

You are covered legally if they tell you to STFU and GBTW...
wrong... you knew... nothing was done... and the actions continue... you're culpable... your employed, but just as culpable as the rest...

Ever hear of the whistle blowers act... look it up... yes, you'll possibly end up leaving a bad situation...on your own... but you'll remain free and be able to sleep comfortably at night...

Originally Posted by JasonK

The whole thing makes me sick. Everyone who had knowledge of this and done the "bare minimum" should rot in hell.

AMEN....