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Originally Posted by raptor5244

We will see. Ford has already made the leap with the Mustang. Change is hard but necessary.

Originally Posted by Lynix

In other news, old men shake fist at cloud. Its the future folks get over it. EV would probably be the best thing for the Camaro, it will always be limited by the Corvette, as an EV it would be able to branch out on its own.

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Change is hard, I get it but I would reserve judgement until you drive some of these vehicles. Even though you lose the sound and vibration these new cars will entertain in new ways. The brutal acceleration alone will keep a smile on your face. 0-60mph in 3 sec flat, consistently and 1/4 mile in 11.5 for $55k. And it weighs 4055lbs. The 30-50-70mph times are off the charts and quicker than a C7 ZR1. If you value performance it is hard to ignore.

You guys seem to be of the "change for the sake of change is a good thing" persuasion. While that in itself is debatable already, the real problem and the bulk of the reason many resist here is not the electric drivetrain but the accompanying additional, and massive, encroachment on personal freedoms by corporations, big brother style. Why should we just lie down and accept it as 'fate'?

Originally Posted by raptor5244

True. But the traction control is able to “pulse” the power to the wheels so fast that they can get more traction out of the tires instead of roasting them. Kind of like the way ABS brakes will pulse the brake pedal rather than locking up the tires. At least that is the best way I can explain it.

Also consider many EVs are AWD and heavy and the the RWD models have the rear motor sitting on the rear axle more like a mid engine car. Look how much improvement the C8 gets in 0-60 due to moving the weight to the rear of the vehicle.

These are very good points, the cycle speed of the feedback loop is an important advantage, so is AWD and the more favorable weight distribution. Not too much to do with electric drivetrains, though.

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Another wild thing is over the air performance upgrades. Owners of the dual motor Tesla Model 3 can purchase an Acceleration Boost for $2k. Click a button in the mobile app in and a couple minutes you just added approximately 50hp HP and torque and dropped your 0-60 and 1/4 mile time .5 sec. As someone who modified my Z06 with a cam, long tube headers, injectors, pulleys, etc. it is pretty hard to get your head wrapped around. Track Mode in the Model 3 was co-developed by Randy Pobst. If they go out and update the tune to improve corner entry or increase regen or relax the stability control it just gets pushed out in an OTA software update., which is pretty cool. I remember when I had to get in line and pay $350 to GM to get an update to mag ride suspension.

Again, this is simply reluctance on GM's and other automakers' part to actually serve their customers. Why wouldn't the same be possible by means of tune updates for our vehicles? Clearly the electric drivetrain is overprovisioned in those cars so that the manufacturer can send "updates" that basically flip a bit or change a number and they charge $2k for it. Smart business model, but nothing new conceptually or in terms of technology.

The useful lesson here for the incumbents would be to open up their software update process, and newcomers are definitely showing the way in this area. Yet again, nothing to do with the electric drivetrain.

I for one am not a huge fan of the single pedal, theme park bumper car driving experience, but that (and only that) is fully subjective, I do understand the fascination with instant torque.

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I like working on my cars but the fact that there is like zero maintenance is another game changer and money saver. There is literally nothing to do except rotate and replace the tires. No 10qt synthetic oil changes, no transmission flushes, coolant flushes, with regen braking the brake pads will last 80-100k miles in typical street driving. Warranty on the main battery and motors is 8 years or 120k miles.

Zero maintenance is nice, until you realize you have to get in line for service and wait several weeks or months. Parts are hideously expensive and hardly available. Tires will still have the same maintenance schedule. Also, the buy-in cost for these vehicles is so much higher at the moment that a few oil changes at $80-120 a pop once a year won't really tip the scales. This will definitely need to change if these companies want to see their market share of electric vehicles increase.


All in all, I think there would be much less resistance to this sort of change if it weren't for the political undercurrent and its forced nature. Who wouldn't like a pair of auxiliary electric motors on the front axle to help with the launch, for example—it's the bait-and-switch in terms of cars being converted to remote controlled appliances that I, and probably many others, are objecting to.