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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You base that off of being a good driver in a modded 18 GT vs a regular person in a stock ZL1 and that is not a fair comparison. I could cherry pick all day and claim that an excellent driver in a modded Evo can beat a regular person in a stock GT350. Or look at it like this, an excellent driver in a modded 18 GT might be able to beat a regular person in a stock ZL1 in the quarter mile...but that GT will not feel like 650 HP unless and until you hit it with boost. So there is a huge difference. Can I always at any time take a GT and do a max effort run? No. But can I take my 650 hp ZL1 and at any time feel all of those horses while staying within the speed limit? All day every day. 460 hp will never feel like 650 hp. And we don't compare modded cars to stock cars because if we did then the ricers would be talking even more shit than they already do.

And for the record, I consider myself a novice in racing. But you can put anyone you can think of in an 18 GT with those mods and put them in the lane next to me in a stock ZL1 and I'd be very confident that I'd come out ahead and in a much easier fashion.

Well honestly, it won't take much drivermod for an A10 car to go fast. I agree that 650hp feels different than 460. But my comment was in reference to kttxz06 mentioning that a tune/tire/exhaust(ie bolton) 18 GT would not run with a stock ZL1. I disagree, as I feel like bolton performance will be similar to the 6gen/C7 LT1 variants with the quick ones currently running in the 10s. That is plenty to take out a stock ZL1.

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Yea, I compared the Zl1 to the GT350 because the clowns over on the Mustang forums do.

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Actually the Ford GT, GT350R, Raptor, Focus RS are the Flagships of Ford Performance!

So, let's line em up. Ford GT vs the new Zr1. Not close. Zr1 will eat that shit up. GT350R vs Zl1 1lE. Again, not even a competition. GT 350 lines up vs the Zl1 in the pecking order. Again, Zl1 beats it down. Not sure why they consider the Raptor and Focus RS performance vehicles, but for some reason they do. Then you have the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS. Again, that's a toss up with a slight edge going to the Maro.

I messed up and went over to the other forum to see how they are accepting the new GT. And as usual, it was 20 pages of excuses and.....................Well, the Camaro is ugly. Not one post did they actually point to any performance variants between the 2 cars. It's the..........we don't have mullets like Maro owners. Yea, well, at least we can see. Or it was, the Camaro was ugly. But, when any Maro guy on there stated perf #'s. All hell broke loose. I swear, it's hard to take any Mustang owner serious nowadays.

If you want to compare apples to apples, compare NA to NA. The GT350R wins over the SS 1LE... handily. The ZL1s competitor is the GT500, and rumors are it is coming.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

1 - That depends on a lot of factors. Even with extreme HP the GT500 with an M6 trans is only going to go soo fast. Look at the HC. 707 hp yet can must only a high 11 in M6 form with the stock tires. Look at the 13 GT500. 663 hp yet could only do an 11.7 with the M6 trans. Ford has never put an auto trans in the GT500. So if they expect it to outrun the 11.4 of the ZL1 with the A10 trans, then it will need a hell of a good tire and a hell of a good auto trans. Is Ford going to break tradition and actually offer it with an auto? We'll see. Otherwise it'll need 750 hp, an awesome tire, and come in at like 3800 pounds just to match the A10 ZL1. And even then it won't be a massacre. It'll be well within a driver's race IF it does beat the ZL1. Around a track, well I doubt it'll beat the ZL1 1LE.

2 - I fall back on my earlier argument. It is nothing new and Ford is again late to the party. Dodge has the HC since 2015 and the Demon for 2018. Both mega hp cars. GM has the CTS-V, Z06, ZL1 (1LE), and the ZR1 is coming (for MY 2019). So now finally Ford shows up with something pushing the numbers that GM and Dodge have both been pushing since 2015? And that is if it is even available for MY 2019. They're late to the party by 4 years at that point. So even if they do beat out the ZL1, by that time the ZL1 will have been on the streets for 3 full MYs, lol!! They had better be able to beat a car that has been out that long since they sure as hell had enough time to develop it. So whats it gonna do? Show up 4 years late for 2 MYs and then disappear again for another 5 years? What kind of shit is that? It won't even matter if they do beat it. And we all see how GM is taking down cars with more HP. If anything the GT500 will have to be very exceptional to beat the ZL1.

3 - This ain't 2013 anymore. Back then the autos were losing to the manuals, Mustangs had solid axles and less weight, cars had nowhere near the extra options they have now...let's just say that the game has changed quite a bit since the last GT500. GM built a platform with the 6th Gen that would allow it to beat cars on higher trim levels and with more power. I think they were pretty confident that Ford would not be able to touch the ZL1 unless they built a similar car with an auto trans, excellent suspension, and awesome tires. We'll see what happens. But I don't think Ford can pull out a win with the S550 chassis. They might have to just do what they can and build the 7th Gen better than they did the S550.

The new GT500 will have the A10(it is a Ford patented transmission afterall, albeit GM and Ford cooperated in developement with for leading the engineering). There are also rumors of AWD as splined front axles have been spotted on supposed test mules. 750+ hp with the rumored 5.2l motor and the TVS 2.65 on it with A10 and AWD? Might surprise some people. Again the are currently rumors. I believe Ford will introduce the GT500 on the new S650 chassis.

Personally, if an A10 c7Z06 was coming, I would trade up in a heartbeat... but I have read that the A10 will not fit the C7.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

What's it going to have to say? That it can go fast in a straight line but can't corner once again? Or that after a lap around the track the brakes are pretty much toast?

Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that you are right....

What's it going to cost? Considering the markups on the GT350/350R, I'm going to say somewhere in the 80-100k range....

Who the hell is buying it? Or more importantly, will any of them actually race them....

I couldn't care less about ADM on cars. I will NEVER pay more than MSRP and rarely that. If I were in the market for one, I would wait for pricing to normalize... after the idiots buy theirs thinking they will make their money back.

And I can guarantee you will see them at the track. Some people would argue why I bought a 17 Grand Sport to drag race. I like drag racing, but plan to hit up road courses too. Mountain runs are glorious. But there is also something satisfying about having a heavy Grand Sport at the dragstrip lifting the front wheels off the ground too