which cold air kit is best ? anyone try creative motoring cold air kit from ebay?

smokingv6 · 08-26-2022, 08:01 PM

They claim 11 rwhp,
26 ft-lb Torque and
up to 4 MPG Increase in fuel economy.
I want the most power regardless of price. Want to upgrade soon, what are the top 3 brands to buy ? This seems reasonble at $395.00 , but is there a brand or kit that gives way more bang for the buck even up to say $550.00 ?

Trochoidal · 08-26-2022, 08:37 PM

https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eB...rsion=465117d5

Is this the one you saw?

CAI have been discussed a lot in here. If I were to do it again, I doubt I would’ve bought a RotoFab. There’s nothing wrong with it but so many others have modified the stock air box with similar results.

These links cover a lot, but not every possibility.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463865

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482925

JSH · 08-26-2022, 08:44 PM

For my build? Big Gulp

laynlo15 · 08-26-2022, 09:21 PM

I've always run RotoFab since 2008 when I had my G8Gt NA and then SC. Since 2015 I've had it on all my Camaro builds. Rotofab Little Gulp (my name for it) and Big Gulp and now again on my 2022 NA and switching to a blower again so Little Gulp on my 2300.

LT4Greg · 08-26-2022, 11:01 PM

RotoFab on my ZL1 and a Cold Air Inductions CAI on the 2016 2SS I used to own.

VR Baron · 08-26-2022, 11:19 PM

What engine, the v8? If so maybe 6 hp from a rotofab. None really make any power as the stock box, with the stock power level, is pretty good. Better sound and response though.If the engine is a LT4 then it will make more.

smokingv6 · 08-27-2022, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VR Baron

What engine, the v8? If so maybe 6 hp from a rotofab. None really make any power as the stock box, with the stock power level, is pretty good. Better sound and response though.If the engine is a LT4 then it will make more.

my car is the ss, 6.2 not supercharged, all stock. Looking for just a couple simple bolt ons at the moment.

Gunkk · 08-27-2022, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokingv6

my car is the ss, 6.2 not supercharged, all stock. Looking for just a couple simple bolt ons at the moment.

If you want a bit of engine bay bling, go for a Rotofab standard (not big gulp) and disconnect the battery before you touch the MAF.

Without a tune, nothing you can do to the car will improve anything other than sound and appearance. Most things -- particularly no-tune-bolt-ons -- will make your car perform worse; Rotofab being one of the few exceptions.

With a tune, the sky's the limit.

FlukeSS · 08-27-2022, 09:07 AM

Op,

I would suggest you do your own research and draw your own conclusions. Don't always believe what you see on the box. Look up testing results and decide on your own. What are you looking for? HP or Torque?

For example: I realize rotofab is the platinum standard, but has been tested to produce 0 HP gains, but did produce torque gains vs a stock intake without a tune. Lethal Garage on youtube tested this.

Where as the CAI I use, has been tested to produce up to 9hp with a tune.

In my case, I wasn't convinced $500+ for a CAI was the way to go and I was chasing HP not torque.

Last bit of vindication I can give you regarding K&N Typhoon CAI. It is cheaper than Rotofab and my tuner even told me, "You have a mean intake." Note: I never asked him about it, it was a comment my tuner made on his own. That being said however, it could be the combination of parts that work in tandem with my CAI that contributes to the effectiveness.

VR Baron · 08-27-2022, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokingv6

my car is the ss, 6.2 not supercharged, all stock. Looking for just a couple simple bolt ons at the moment.

Then 0-5/6 hp gain. That’s what Jannetty racing got and was a thorough realistic dyno and road test. If you put the car on a dyno and do the std three pulls you could get any number, but computer will relearn and adjust back to stock hp or a just a bit more without a tune.

KingLT1 · 08-27-2022, 10:03 AM

Rotofab has been proven to produce gains at the track on a stock tune. It was worth a tenth. Testing CAI on the dyno is kind of pointless since there is no air pressurization. Stick your hand out the window on the dyno vs driving down the road at 50+ mph.

Ideally you should tune any CAI but the RF for the most part seems to work the best with the stock tune vs others. That is because if the diameter of the tube that the maf sensor is bolted in is different than stock by the slightest amount it throws off the calibration. Larger will make the car run leaner, smaller will make it run richer.

Moral of the story, if you don't want to tune get the RF...if you are getting a tune, then most CAI's would probably work fine. I would avoid any CAI with a metal intake tube as that just absorbs heat. Does the factory use metal?

JSH · 08-27-2022, 11:10 AM

CSP saw something around 20-WHP, only upgrading from the standard to a Big Gulp, with literally no other hardware changes, all SAE for any corrections. That was 760 to 780

Z/Camaro · 08-27-2022, 12:37 PM

What about the GM intake?

KingLT1 · 08-27-2022, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSH

CSP saw something around 20-WHP, only upgrading from the standard to a Big Gulp, with literally no other hardware changes, all SAE for any corrections. That was 760 to 780

On a modded LT4 yes. On a Stock LT1 no.

08-26-2022, 08:01 PM	#1
smokingv6 Drives: 2019 SS 1987 GN 1972 442 Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: IL Posts: 10	which cold air kit is best ? anyone try creative motoring cold air kit from ebay? They claim 11 rwhp, 26 ft-lb Torque and up to 4 MPG Increase in fuel economy. I want the most power regardless of price. Want to upgrade soon, what are the top 3 brands to buy ? This seems reasonble at $395.00 , but is there a brand or kit that gives way more bang for the buck even up to say $550.00 ?

08-26-2022, 08:37 PM	#2
Trochoidal Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: May 2019 Location: USA Posts: 1,656	https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eB...rsion=465117d5 Is this the one you saw? CAI have been discussed a lot in here. If I were to do it again, I doubt I would’ve bought a RotoFab. There’s nothing wrong with it but so many others have modified the stock air box with similar results. These links cover a lot, but not every possibility. https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463865 https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482925 __________________ Roto-Fab w/sound tube delete, Katech ported TB, Pray IM, Velossa, DD side markers, DSX FF, UPR Catch can, Halo brace, My custom vent gauge pod Originally Posted by arpad_m - “Aww, yet another oil thread with almost the same question in the OP“

08-26-2022, 08:44 PM	#3
JSH Drives: '20 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Mile High Posts: 3,594	For my build? Big Gulp __________________ '20 ZL1 1LE A10. LME 390, E2650, FBO, 100 oct. Not a DD.

08-26-2022, 09:21 PM	#4
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,862	I've always run RotoFab since 2008 when I had my G8Gt NA and then SC. Since 2015 I've had it on all my Camaro builds. Rotofab Little Gulp (my name for it) and Big Gulp and now again on my 2022 NA and switching to a blower again so Little Gulp on my 2300. __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff Last edited by laynlo15; 09-05-2022 at 06:03 AM.

08-26-2022, 11:01 PM	#5
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,820	RotoFab on my ZL1 and a Cold Air Inductions CAI on the 2016 2SS I used to own. __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

08-26-2022, 11:19 PM	#6
VR Baron SoCal Camaro5 Race Team Drives: 2021 Shadow Grey Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SO CAL Posts: 14,294	What engine, the v8? If so maybe 6 hp from a rotofab. None really make any power as the stock box, with the stock power level, is pretty good. Better sound and response though.If the engine is a LT4 then it will make more.

08-27-2022, 09:07 AM	#9
FlukeSS Drives: 2020 Camaro 2SS A10 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,430	Op, I would suggest you do your own research and draw your own conclusions. Don't always believe what you see on the box. Look up testing results and decide on your own. What are you looking for? HP or Torque? For example: I realize rotofab is the platinum standard, but has been tested to produce 0 HP gains, but did produce torque gains vs a stock intake without a tune. Lethal Garage on youtube tested this. Where as the CAI I use, has been tested to produce up to 9hp with a tune. In my case, I wasn't convinced $500+ for a CAI was the way to go and I was chasing HP not torque. Last bit of vindication I can give you regarding K&N Typhoon CAI. It is cheaper than Rotofab and my tuner even told me, "You have a mean intake." Note: I never asked him about it, it was a comment my tuner made on his own. That being said however, it could be the combination of parts that work in tandem with my CAI that contributes to the effectiveness. __________________ 2020 Camaro 2SS A10 \| Rebuilt by: CBI Street Cars \| 2" SE LT Headers \| 3" SE X-Pipe \| 3" MBRP Axle-Back \| Pri & Sec Cat Deletes \| K&N Typhoon CAI \| LT2 Ported \| 95mm ZR1 TB \| LSA crankshaft conversion w/modified crank gear \| LS1 thrust bearing \| LS MSD Plug Wire Set \| BTR Stage I Cam \| ARP Rod Bolts \| Delphi Lifter set \| NGK LTR71X-11 spark plug set \| DOD Delete \| VVT Limiter \| ECM, TCM & E85 \| Retuned by: Justin L. \| Dyno: 510 rwhp 472 rwtq \| Best 1/4 Time: 11.639

08-27-2022, 10:03 AM	#11
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,827	Rotofab has been proven to produce gains at the track on a stock tune. It was worth a tenth. Testing CAI on the dyno is kind of pointless since there is no air pressurization. Stick your hand out the window on the dyno vs driving down the road at 50+ mph. Ideally you should tune any CAI but the RF for the most part seems to work the best with the stock tune vs others. That is because if the diameter of the tube that the maf sensor is bolted in is different than stock by the slightest amount it throws off the calibration. Larger will make the car run leaner, smaller will make it run richer. Moral of the story, if you don't want to tune get the RF...if you are getting a tune, then most CAI's would probably work fine. I would avoid any CAI with a metal intake tube as that just absorbs heat. Does the factory use metal? __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

08-27-2022, 11:10 AM	#12
JSH Drives: '20 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Mile High Posts: 3,594	CSP saw something around 20-WHP, only upgrading from the standard to a Big Gulp, with literally no other hardware changes, all SAE for any corrections. That was 760 to 780 __________________ '20 ZL1 1LE A10. LME 390, E2650, FBO, 100 oct. Not a DD.

08-27-2022, 12:37 PM	#13
Z/Camaro Drives: C8 and 280z/280zx/300zx Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Nevada Posts: 80	What about the GM intake? __________________ C8, '84 300zx, '77 280z, '82 280zx, '23 1LE on order

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