Moror Trend's Tests Show Roughly Equal Performance Between 1SS and GT350 - Page 6

90503 · 11-08-2015, 11:49 AM

I hope anyone who gets an automatic, doesn't believe that they can't track their car. That would be a shame. Of all the weekend warrior track days I've been to, the automatics seem to do just fine.

The 10-20 minute sessions for each group I doubt are time enough for the transmission to make a difference one way or the other. These arguments only seem to be plausible on a computer screen.

Next time you're at the track, go tell an automatic guy to his face he's not a man, he should have a manual , or whatever....let us know how that works out for you.

GretchenGotGrowl · 11-08-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jaymsu

https://youtu.be/vTwnsWdxZ3M

Profesional driver's result, just as an example.
And I agree with you on one point: Manual is more fun on track.

That was funny. Thanks for posting.

SS 1LE · 11-08-2015, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpectre

DCTs are autos. They can shift on their own if you leave them be.

Well aware. But cars like Ferraris perform better when manually shifted, auto mode is more meant for putzing around town. A torque converter auto is the opposite pretty much.

shaffe · 11-09-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Did you know the base GT350 lack the coolers and is not track capable? How is that for purity? Sold out for higher sales.

You say that like it is a bad thing. Do I think it is odd they left them out, maybe but smart on Ford allowing the car to be configured more ways to sell more.

Guarantee you GM would have sold a hell of alot more Z/28's had they offered it like Ford is doing with the GT350

Fenderaddict2 · 11-09-2015, 06:45 PM

The new Camaro shows clearly how much "weight" was holding back the Gen 5 Camaro. I'm impressed with the new Camaro platform, I just wish I found the look as lust worthy as the previous generation or the new Mustang.

TheSpectre · 11-10-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Well aware. But cars like Ferraris perform better when manually shifted

Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

SS 1LE · 11-10-2015, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpectre

Do you have proof of this? I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

Thought it was more well known that the setup Ferrari uses is not typical. It is more race oriented then most cars have, same for Lamborghini and a few others.

But, here is none other then Randy Pobst on track with a 458 and clearly using the paddles to shift himself...you can see it multiple times in the video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KMRmLDZXRRI

SpeedIsLife · 11-10-2015, 07:53 AM

So your evidence is anecdotal and not empirical..?

SS 1LE · 11-10-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

So your evidence is anecdotal and not empirical..?

I've read it many times, and spend time with people who actually track those type of cars (unlike internet jockeys) at SCCA and NASA events. So I have first hand experience too. I could care less to spend more time searching the internet for additional videos (Randy Pobst is a fantastic driver and chooses to shift himself when times matter, hence my example) and such that prove my point to someone on an internet forum of all places. But I'll bite, attached are two snippets from reviews if that is more your thing, that state how auto mode is more so for puttering around town and backs off on some of the cars more aggressive settings...

Nawambo · 11-10-2015, 09:40 AM

Yup, was eyeing getting a GT350, but refused to pay absurd markups, so as of yesterday, I've ordered a Hyper Blue SS 2SS and can't wait to take it on the track!

joemosfet · 11-10-2015, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nawambo

Yup, was eyeing getting a GT350, but refused to pay absurd markups, so as of yesterday, I've ordered a Hyper Blue SS 2SS and can't wait to take it on the track!

Do all Ford dealers add ADM to the GT350? Could you not have gone to a dealer that would sell without that markup?

shaffe · 11-10-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by joemosfet

Do all Ford dealers add ADM to the GT350? Could you not have gone to a dealer that would sell without that markup?

there are dealers that are selling at MSRP, but the majority will probably mark it up for the first few cars they get.

SS 1LE · 11-10-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by joemosfet

Do all Ford dealers add ADM to the GT350? Could you not have gone to a dealer that would sell without that markup?

Going by that "other" site, it seems like nearly every dealer wants a markup of some sort unless you have a connection. Rumors are the GT350 is going to be a two year only car, that doesn't help either.

90503 · 11-10-2015, 11:15 AM

That's the sad thing about ADM...Everyone knows it's a rip-off, and it kills interest in even loyal customers willing to pay full MSRP...

Look at the Chevy Z/28s...IMO it was the ADM which kept them from selling like hot-cakes at MSRP. It soured a lot of customers and the window for quick sales and immediate interest closed very quickly, killed off by ADM...

I thought Ford would have learned from the Z/28 scenario, but I guess not.

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90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,428	I hope anyone who gets an automatic, doesn't believe that they can't track their car. That would be a shame. Of all the weekend warrior track days I've been to, the automatics seem to do just fine. The 10-20 minute sessions for each group I doubt are time enough for the transmission to make a difference one way or the other. These arguments only seem to be plausible on a computer screen. Next time you're at the track, go tell an automatic guy to his face he's not a man, he should have a manual , or whatever....let us know how that works out for you.

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SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	So your evidence is anecdotal and not empirical..?

11-10-2015, 11:15 AM	#84
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,428	That's the sad thing about ADM...Everyone knows it's a rip-off, and it kills interest in even loyal customers willing to pay full MSRP... Look at the Chevy Z/28s...IMO it was the ADM which kept them from selling like hot-cakes at MSRP. It soured a lot of customers and the window for quick sales and immediate interest closed very quickly, killed off by ADM... I thought Ford would have learned from the Z/28 scenario, but I guess not.

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