[GaBoy25]

Awesome car but an more aggressive front fascia would have been nice.

Gm......................tick tick

[Rangore]

Saw one at a car show not too long ago. I thought it looked very sharp!

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by rez333

I understand that launch control can compensate for a lot of things, but I don't understand how it can compensate for 4340lbs of weight. The CTS-V has launch control, is lighter and has more torque. Can someone explain the physics of how this M5 achieves what seems impossible?

Originally Posted by DGthe3

My first guess would be short gearing, followed closely by stickier tires, then under rating the engine.

The first two + ultra fast shifting + perhaps more sophisticated launch control, but particularly the extra gear and the DCT. Still, I'll take a CTS-V.

[2ndCamaro79]

I wonder what type of performance we will see from the new M3 or has the M5 always been the quicker of the two? BMW probably is not happy the Boss 302 stole the spotlight from the M3, and you see how they are firing back at the CTS-V for what it did to the M5.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by lexlueger

That thing is a beast, just wish they kept the E60's V10. Can't deny that it's really fast but it doesn't do it for me. I'm holding out for now.

i agree, that v10 was a race engine. loved it. but BMW wanted a better MPG and power car. as you already know. i am with you the v10 was the man even if it was less powerful.

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by G8GT4now

GTR also had the advantage of all wheel drive, where the M5 is only rear wheel drive.

True but GTR's are even strong from a roll. Most awd vehicles tend to fall on there face once into the triple digits.

[drummer5679]

it's like the guy in the first video studied how the top gear presenters talk when reviewing a car for months before making this video. His rhythm and some mannerisms are eerily similar.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by rez333

I understand that launch control can compensate for a lot of things, but I don't understand how it can compensate for 4340lbs of weight. The CTS-V has launch control, is lighter and has more torque. Can someone explain the physics of how this M5 achieves what seems impossible?

Average HP in the used rpm range, fast shifting, and gearing.

[bwnunnally]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

Yes I know it cost a lot more than the ZL1 ...[] I would like to see this go head to head with the CTS-V.

Would you rather have a ZL1 and $35K or a CTS-V and $25K for mods and personalization or an M5? (That's if you can find an M5 with no dealer markup). I know I'd rather have the CTS-V.

Yes M5 is an interesting package. Yes, that 7 speed DCT (dual clutch transmission) helps it scoot along. The new pre-loading shift logic on the Zl1 cuts some of that advantage, but it will help future models once the GM 8 Speed arrives.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I don't know what you're reffering to. But its pretty easy to under rate an engine if you don't follow the SAE testing procedure.

Also, there is quite a difference between saying that an enigne must be underrated based on a single dyno run & speculating that another one could be underrated to as a possible explanation as to how the car performs better than it should.

But the concensous was that no cars can be these days in multiple threads, anyways I digress lol.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SS 376

The first two + ultra fast shifting + perhaps more sophisticated launch control, but particularly the extra gear and the DCT. Still, I'll take a CTS-V.

Agreed, it is amazing what they aredoing these days to get more from less so to speak. Transmissions are a huge part of this, not only DCTs, but also transmissions like the ZF 8 speed auto, that sliced basically a second of the 300/Chargers 0-60 time with the V6 and makes the Audi S4 a very low 13 second car with what, 320 HP?

[GaBoy25]

Originally Posted by Stew

Agreed, it is amazing what they aredoing these days to get more from less so to speak. Transmissions are a huge part of this, not only DCTs, but also transmissions like the ZF 8 speed auto, that sliced basically a second of the 300/Chargers 0-60 time with the V6 and makes the Audi S4 a very low 13 second car with what, 320 HP?

But damn if they aren't expensive to build.

6 spd auto in my truck? $5000 for starties:(

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by bwnunnally

Would you rather have a ZL1 and $35K or a CTS-V and $25K for mods and personalization or an M5? (That's if you can find an M5 with no dealer markup). I know I'd rather have the CTS-V.

Yes M5 is an interesting package. Yes, that 7 speed DCT (dual clutch transmission) helps it scoot along. The new pre-loading shift logic on the Zl1 cuts some of that advantage, but it will help future models once the GM 8 Speed arrives.

I would like to know exactly how fast the ZL1 shifts because I know for a fact it will never be as instant as a Dual Clutch Manual because of the Planetary Setup of an Automatic Transmission....

[Stew]

Originally Posted by GaBoy25

But damn if they aren't expensive to build.

6 spd auto in my truck? $5000 for starties:(

Yeah, that is a downside for sure,