[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by f300v10

I'm curious why people continue to believe the 1LE would perform better on different tires. We now have some evidence it can match the Z/28 that featured some of the most hard core track tires ever mounted to a street car, and the M4 GTS which features the much loved Sport Cup 2's. Sorry but there is just no way the 1LE could do that unless the Goodyears it runs on are pretty stout as well. Your not going to get that lap time in a 3650 lb car with 455 HP unless the tires are very good.

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I agree completely! I think these new F1 super car tire 3s are way better than people might think! And the PTM is setup for those tires, not Sport cup 2s or Trofeo Rs, so I really dont think those tires would be much better. Now if you swapped the brakes for the Z/28s carbon ceramics that might help a good bit!

Originally Posted by f300v10

My point is we have no idea how 'sticky' the supercar 3's are yet, as the 1LE is the first car to use them. There is no way that lap time is purely from 'setup', which I assume you mean as 'well balanced'. You can't get that lap time without grip, and grip comes from the tires.

Guys I understand that we don't know how well these GY Supercar 3's are made, but I can promise you all that no matter how improved they are, they aren't better than the sport cup 2's.

Do you really think that Goodyear would make some earth shattering tire that out performs the industry leaders and debut it on a Camaro? There is a reason all the Hyper Cars run either Sport Cup 2's or Trofeo R's.

Remember the GT350R that is 1.6 seconds faster is running on Sport Cup 2's! Chevy's own Z06 and Grand Sport Corvette are also running them. Goodyear Supercar 3's will not run faster lap times than Sport Cup 2's on any car. PERIOD!

[Bhobbs]

I love how the Mustang6g guys say the only reason the 1LE would be faster than the GT350TP is tires.

I guess I can put Cup 2s on one of those kids pedal cars and be faster.

[f300v10]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Guys I understand that we don't know how well these GY Supercar 3's are made, but I can promise you all that no matter how improved they are, they aren't better than the sport cup 2's.

Do you really think that Goodyear would make some earth shattering tire that out performs the industry leaders and debut it on a Camaro? There is a reason all the Hyper Cars run either Sport Cup 2's or Trofeo R's.

Remember the GT350R that is 1.6 seconds faster is running on Sport Cup 2's! Chevy's own Z06 and Grand Sport Corvette are also running them. Goodyear Supercar 3's will not run faster lap times than Sport Cup 2's on any car. PERIOD!

The GT350R also has 80+HP more, crazy expensive carbon wheels, and more agressive aero on the car. No surprise its faster, it should be. We have no idea how much of the lap time is from the SC2.

And the M4 GTS chassis is apparently crap then? It is lighter, has more HP, a dual clutch transmission, a wing on the trunk and SC2's. Yet the 1LE is just as fast. Sorry I just don't buy into the SC2 being the only tire that is fast.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by f300v10

The GT350R also has 80+HP more, crazy expensive carbon wheels, and more agressive aero on the car. No surprise its faster, it should be. We have no idea how much of the lap time is from the SC2.

And the M4 GTS chassis is apparently crap then? It is lighter, has more HP, a dual clutch transmission, a wing on the trunk and SC2's. Yet the 1LE is just as fast. Sorry I just don't buy into the SC2 being the only tire that is fast.

Come on guys lets not be Fanboys and lose all sense of objectivity. Are you guys really trying to argue that Goodyear Supercar 3's with a 220 tread rating has more grip and performs better than the 180 tread rating Michelin's?

If so what's the logic? The only thing I'm hearing is 'they are on the 6th gen 1LE so they must be the greatest tires ever'

By the way. I think Michelin Pilot Super Sports will out perform these Goodyear's too. So I think it's laughable that you guys think the Sport Cup 2's will be dethroned by the Supercar 3's

[slick3]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Come on guys lets not be Fanboys and lose all sense of objectivity. Are you guys really trying to argue that Goodyear Supercar 3's with a 220 tread rating has more grip and performs better than the 180 tread rating Michelin's?

If so what's the logic? The only thing I'm hearing is 'they are on the 6th gen 1LE so they must be the greatest tires ever'

By the way. I think Michelin Pilot Super Sports will out perform these Goodyear's too. So I think it's laughable that you guys think the Sport Cup 2's will be dethroned by the Supercar 3's

I will play devils advocate here. First of all tread wear ratings are per manufacture. Michelin's tread ware rating of 180 /= 180 of a Goodyear. The ratings are only accurate within that brand of tire.

With that said, the SC3's are brand new tires. No one knows anything about them yet. I do not even know of any car you can find them on let alone fine ANY information on the internet about them. Goodyear might be getting into the high end tire game and who is to say they cant compete with Michelin? I personally think GY makes a great tire and would not at all be surprised if they created a new tire that can compete with the Cup2's.

(Please be half the cost!)

[mcsoul]

Originally Posted by f300v10

The GT350R also has 80+HP more, crazy expensive carbon wheels, and more agressive aero on the car. No surprise its faster, it should be. We have no idea how much of the lap time is from the SC2.

And the M4 GTS chassis is apparently crap then? It is lighter, has more HP, a dual clutch transmission, a wing on the trunk and SC2's. Yet the 1LE is just as fast. Sorry I just don't buy into the SC2 being the only tire that is fast.

For the money and the hype...yes the M4 GTS is crap.

[JEllis]

The new Goodyears are basically in the same class as Michelin Super Sports, a street tire, no? Michelin Sport Cups are street/track tires and in another class altogether.

Many take for granted what a good set of tires can do.

[slick3]

Originally Posted by JEllis

The new Goodyears are basically in the same class as Michelin Super Sports, a street tire, no? Michelin Sport Cups are street/track tires and in another class altogether.

Many take for granted what a good set of tires can do.

Tires are the best bang for buck mod I think you can do to any car. They can absolutely transfer a car for the better or worse.

[SS 1LE]

The SS 1LE may end up having the best performance/dollar ratio for a track car ever.

I mean a 1:37.6 Laguna Seca time for a car that starts at just over $44k is amazing...

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by slick3

I will play devils advocate here. First of all tread wear ratings are per manufacture. Michelin's tread ware rating of 180 /= 180 of a Goodyear. The ratings are only accurate within that brand of tire.

With that said, the SC3's are brand new tires. No one knows anything about them yet. I do not even know of any car you can find them on let alone fine ANY information on the internet about them. Goodyear might be getting into the high end tire game and who is to say they cant compete with Michelin? I personally think GY makes a great tire and would not at all be surprised if they created a new tire that can compete with the Cup2's.

(Please be half the cost!)

I totally get where your coming from, but I will say they can't compete with Michelin. Michelin has made this type of tire a priority and the flagship product of their brand. So has Pirelli.

To quote Fast and the Furious "You can't just jump in the ring with Ali because you think you can box" HAHAHA!!!

In all seriousness yes the tire ratings aren't very scientific and not really regulated, but I would bet a months pay that the Michelin Sport Cup 2's are much better than the goodyears. Now I think slightly more realistic expectations are hoping that the goodyears have improved to be almost equivalent to the pilot super sports.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

Motor Trend on Demand just posted the M4 GTS lap time of Leguna Seca. 1:37.66. They said the Camaro SS 1LE was basically the exact same time. The GT350R was 1.6 seconds faster.

Considering the tire disparity, that highlights how good the 1LE's chassis and powertrain is.

Let's be honest here. This thread so far is talking about 2 different categories of tires. In general, Goodyear hasn't had a competitive extreme summer or "R-compound" offering in quite a long time. There's a reason many sports, super, and hyper cars are using the excellent Michelin Cup2's; they're fast and have good tread life for a street tire. Obviously we haven't yet fleshed out how the upcoming Supercar G3 will perform, but it's still going to be firmly in the "extreme summer" category.

If you want maximum track grip, then practically speaking the Hoosier R7 is your go-to choice. It's in another league compared to "R-comp" tires like the Cup2, Trofeo R, let alone extreme summer tires like the Rival S, and RE-71R.

So, to summarize:

Extreme Summer tire:
*upcoming Goodyear Supercar G3
*Bridgestone RE-71R
*BFG Rival S

Streetable Track, aka "R-compound":
*Michelin Pilot Cup 2
*Pirelli Trofeo R

DOT Track tires, the real deal for HPDE's and track days:
*Hoosier R7
*Hankook Ventus Z214 and BFG R1S (neither in Camaro sizes)

[67Builder]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

So, to summarize:

Extreme Summer tire:
*upcoming Goodyear Supercar G3
*Bridgestone RE-71R
*BFG Rival S

Streetable Track, aka "R-compound":
*Michelin Pilot Cup 2
*Pirelli Trofeo R

DOT Track tires, the real deal for HPDE's and track days:
*Hoosier R7
*Hankook Ventus Z214 and BFG R1S (neither in Camaro sizes)

Are the Hoosiers available in 20" finally?

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by 67Builder

Are the Hoosiers available in 20" finally?

No, still have to use 19" wheels.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by doc7000

All GM really needs to do is take the LT1 engine, rev it out to 7,000rpms with some head and came work to break 500BHP. Some carbon Ceramic brakes, R tires, stripped the interior and they would have a blazing fast Z/28 Camaro probably at around $50,000 (might even come in the 3,500 pound range).

Basically all GM has to do is work the impossible, given the legal requirements it'll have to meet and jump through.

That's what you're saying.