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But my point is that the 1LE has basically the same clutch system as the ZL1 except the dual clutch the ZL1's have. This issue is happening because guys that driving using the "heel & toe" method are over heating their clutch and causing additional brake dust. The ZL1 dual clutch prevents this extra slipping of the clutch and therefore is creating less clutch dust. This is the main reason I'm guessing your not seeing this issue pop up on the ZL1's or Z/28 cars. Someone in the ZL1 forums posted that the OEM ZL1 dual clutch is only $350. I'd be willing to bet if an 1LE owner upgraded their clutch to the ZL1 dual clutch system and does regular DOT 4 fluid swaps after each track event this issue will go away.
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02-03-2015, 11:57 PM | #268 | |
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No heel toe here, I have a foot injury. Also this problem has happened in brand new cars so the fluid change seems irrelevant in some cases.
But lets be honest here, a ZL has roughly 1/3 of the car exclusive to handle the beatings and the 1LE is an SS with an option package. Yes you can AutoX and do some HPDE with it but if you are getting serious about chasing speed and time you either have to build up the car which will void the warranty or trade it to a tougher built version. Both mean more $$$. Quote:
The 1LE is plenty tough and it is A LOT more nimble than a ZL1 at Laguna Seca. I have driven a 2012 and 2013 ZL1 on the track and while I had higher terminal speeds, the time lost from the additional braking made for slower laps. In fact, the 2013 guy bought his car solely for track use and said my car was way quicker in the turns and that is where times are made. We traded for the whole day with a let it rip policy, so I assure you I did not take it easy, my best lap was 1:45xx which is 2 seconds slower than I have done in my car. The car is more stout, but it HAS to be due to the extra power, but stout does not always equal "better" in all cases. We all have great cars, but GM needs to step up customer service. Like I said in the beginning, my restaurant chain gives better service on $6 sandwiches.... |
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02-04-2015, 07:37 AM | #269 |
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All of you idiots saying "pay to play"
Really ?
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02-04-2015, 08:22 AM | #270 |
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Every circumstance is going to be different. I look at a guy like X25 who is very serious about tracking his car, and has a lot of driving ability. To me it seems he is fully aware of the pay to play theory. A first time track day guy that does one or two track days a year with a car that is far more capable then him would be less likely to see a failure on track, and more likely to have no issues getting something taken care of by is dealer. Now if that component keeps failing, the dealer can only due so much. Be prepared to pay to play. Same goes with maintenance on the car. If you want to track your car, and want it to stay reliable, you better be prepared to spend some $$ on maintenance. Lots of tires, lots of brake pads, lots of fluid changes.
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02-04-2015, 02:09 PM | #275 |
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Do you not get that you bought a car with a warranty that was spelled out, in plain English?
Do you not get that you violated the terms of that warranty and as such, voided it? Design problem or not, you voluntarily chose to track your car, you voluntarily chose to void the warranty. You've done nothing but sit there and insult and speak condescendingly toward everyone who hasn't agreed with you. Maybe had you bothered to read the details of your warranty, you wouldn't have thrown as big of a fit about being denied after the fact.
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Also, it will not mate to an LS3 as the LSA has an 8-bolt crank whereas the LS3 has a 6 bolt crank, so that's not even an option.
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02-04-2015, 02:21 PM | #279 | |
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Did I call some of you idiots, yep. If you think it is OK that a BRAND NEW car grinds on every 2-3 high load shift, you are in fact an idiot in my eyes. Once again, this happened the very first time the car was under the circumstances, which once again, can only happen on a track (due to speed limits) legally. Let me change this argument, now the problem is a grind every time you go to put it in first gear at idle..every time. It happened at the stop sign leaving the dealer, would you turn around and take the car in and demand it be fixed? I'll bet every single one of you would. ALL OF YOU. So why is mine any different? Just because it only happens under track conditions is irrelevant, it's not happening BECAUSE of the track, just at it, because my job depends on not braking traffic laws. |
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02-04-2015, 02:28 PM | #280 |
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I am not trying to be insulting or condescending, I have been nothing but nice and respectful to everyone (including the dealer and GMCS, that only changed when the "abuse" thing started), I am only fighting fire with fire. If you call me an idiot, you have all the right in the world to do so, but remember that is a 2 way street my friends and maybe you ought to put yourself in my shoes and also actually read what the problem is VS assuming what yoy "think" happened.
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