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Old 02-08-2013, 12:59 PM   #51
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I can't imagine why anyone would want a 4 cylinder Camaro. I can see wanting a 4 cylinder in a car designed for a 4 cylinder engine, but I really don't see the point in bastardizing a car made for muscle.

A lot of posters seem to think everyone against the 4 cylinder Camaro are neanderthals. We're really pragmatists. We know what introducing a 4 cylinder means for V8 enthusiasts; watered-down performance and bullshit.

And yes, it's been done before. It wasn't good.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:33 PM   #52
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For every person who thinks chevy will make a WRX Sti, 3 more think it will be the Iron Duke.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:54 PM   #53
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That's a ridiculous statement. Here's a no cylinder car that blows the doors off your Camaro:
How is that a ridiculous statement?? Why would anyone care if a 4 cyl. car could outrun a camaro (such as a porsche.....they've been around for decades)?

Putting a 4 cyl. engine in a camaro variant that has historically been themed as a v8 performace car (such as an SS or a Z28) to me is ridiculous because it is a compromise on the heritage of the car. The performace camaro is more (believe it or not) than just sheer numbers. The v8 camaro represents a sound, feel, persona of camaros past and present that has been characterized by their v8 motors, and as such, that persona would have very slim or no odds of being equally replicated by a different engine configuration. Its my opinion, and to me it is not a ridiculous statement.

Your reply, however, leaves a lot to be desired.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:07 PM   #54
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This thread makes me want to start a "Why did you get a V6 Camaro?" thread
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:23 PM   #55
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I get that a lot of you guys like low displacement turbo green cars, but why do you need to attack a guy who says he would only buy the V8? That's what he likes. A lot of us like it. If no one wanted to buy a V8 version of this car we wouldn't need anything but a Malibu. Showing a $150,000 electric super car means nothing. Might as well show a Bugatti.
No one is attacking anyone for liking v8 cars... People are defending the idea of there being a variety of engines in the Camaro. No one said to get rid of v8s, no one said you couldn't buy your v8. People are trying to explain to the people on this forum who are close minded that if it weren't for the variety of engine packages that the business justification for a Camaro model at all would not be enough to support the production of the car alone. At the very least, you NEED a base model engine to sustain the justification of the car. With the 6th gen, alpha based, Camaro possibly having the much needed weight reduction it needs combined with the performance capabilities of the I4 that GM is making today, many of us are open to the idea of an I4 being one of the choices for engines. It makes no impact on someone who wants to buy an SS with a v8.


Simply put, if adding an I4 engine to the 6th gen lineup means they sell 100,000 cars instead of 90,000 cars (pulling easy numbers out my ass) then why not? It just means that we ALL have a better chance of seeing a 7th gen, 8th gen, 9th gen Camaro... a win-win for all of us. It simply will not affect anyone who only wants to buy the SS, Z28, ZL1, whatever model.

Another classic example - for all the hate people give on the v6s. How many people on this site bought a v6 and then upgraded to an SS? If they hadn't bought that v6 to fall even more in love with the Camaro, for all we know they could have gone with a Mustang or some other car entirely. Because they offered the v6 GM got two sales out of them...
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:22 PM   #56
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I can't imagine why I would ever want a 4 cylinder Camaro. I can see wanting a 4 cylinder in a car designed for a 4 cylinder engine, but I really don't see the point in bastardizing a car made for muscle.
Fixed that for you. The whole point is that you don't have to. Same as people who don't give a rat's ass about "muscle" or exhaust aren't forced to buy it in V8 trim.

Look around your neighborhood. On my block, there are exactly two V8 cars other than mine, and there might be a couple more cars in top-of-the-model-line performance trim other than my other 3. Most people really do just buy point A to point B transportation.


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A lot of posters seem to think everyone against the 4 cylinder Camaro are neanderthals. We're really pragmatists. We know what introducing a 4 cylinder means for V8 enthusiasts; watered-down performance.
It's an unfounded fear that 4-cylinder levels of performance will drag down the performance levels for V8 versions. A V8 version will still need to be competitive with V8 versions of the Mustang and Challenger/Cuda/whatever ChryCo decides to call it next.

I'd fear upcoming mpg standards far, FAR more than 4-cylinder powerplants as far as maintaining or further improving performance is concerned. Fighting against availability of a four is picking the wrong battle.


I know about Iron Dukes (and Chevy's 153 CID fours 10 or 15 tears before that). Neither of those adversely affected V8 development, and we're anywhere from 20 to 50 or so years removed from the state of tune that those engines were built to.


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Old 02-08-2013, 03:55 PM   #57
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Fixed that for you. The whole point is that you don't have to. Same as people who don't give a rat's ass about "muscle" or exhaust aren't forced to buy it in V8 trim.
No, the whole point is making the Camaro as good as it can be, not fiddling around trying to make it an all-around car, or trying to impress some dillweed who opposes V8's for "ethical reasons".

I'm sure there are people who'd like a station-wagon variant also, and probably another group that would love a Camaro pick-up. Should Chevy build their car too? After all, no one is forced to buy any particular variation, so car makers should manufacture every dumbass idea that crosses their mind. What could go wrong?

A 4 cylinder isn't needed or wanted. God only knows why you clowns keep zealously attacking anyone who points that out.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #58
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No one is attacking anyone for liking v8 cars... People are defending the idea of there being a variety of engines in the Camaro. No one said to get rid of v8s, no one said you couldn't buy your v8. People are trying to explain to the people on this forum who are close minded that if it weren't for the variety of engine packages that the business justification for a Camaro model at all would not be enough to support the production of the car alone. At the very least, you NEED a base model engine to sustain the justification of the car. With the 6th gen, alpha based, Camaro possibly having the much needed weight reduction it needs combined with the performance capabilities of the I4 that GM is making today, many of us are open to the idea of an I4 being one of the choices for engines. It makes no impact on someone who wants to buy an SS with a v8.


Simply put, if adding an I4 engine to the 6th gen lineup means they sell 100,000 cars instead of 90,000 cars (pulling easy numbers out my ass) then why not? It just means that we ALL have a better chance of seeing a 7th gen, 8th gen, 9th gen Camaro... a win-win for all of us. It simply will not affect anyone who only wants to buy the SS, Z28, ZL1, whatever model.

Another classic example - for all the hate people give on the v6s. How many people on this site bought a v6 and then upgraded to an SS? If they hadn't bought that v6 to fall even more in love with the Camaro, for all we know they could have gone with a Mustang or some other car entirely. Because they offered the v6 GM got two sales out of them...
Nobody hates V6's pal, I drove an LS because it was what I could afford. One deployment later and I traded up to the V8. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a base trim, but I think traditionally The V-6 has been that.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:30 PM   #59
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #60
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Because GM has one of the best turbo 4s in the industry.
Imagine if they put two of them together in the form of a V8....

It would be like taking something good and raising it by a power of 2 (because it would be better than the sum of its parts).
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #61
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
Not to mention the fact that 2.0 turbo is going to be pushing close to 300 hp (and motivating a ~3400 lb car), so it's not as if the performance is going to suffer compared to the current V6.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:55 PM   #62
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
Well, one hint might be that we're all commenting on a fansite...
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:56 PM   #63
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Nobody. Whats your point? You ever modded a car before? If so, then you also willing to throw away your warranty.

I'm not saying I'd be perfectly comfortable pushing the stock internals to the limit either, but its worth letting people know what these things are capable of with just a tune right? Its interesting. Maybe it doesn't sound V8 like, but thinking these things are slow is just old thinking.
His point is that you can't compare a heavily modded turbo 4 to a stock V8 in one sentence ("almost L99 power") and then tell the man he can't bring up the fact that the V8 has a warranty in the next sentence.

If you want L99 power, then get an L99 and a free warranty with it.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:58 PM   #64
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
Of course they are not getting rid of the V8. The plan is to just make it REALLY hard and REALLY expensive to get one.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:26 PM   #65
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
If its just about selling more cars why not make it an EV then? I hear Priuses sell pretty good... They could also make 4 cylinder Vettes for the people who want the awesome power of the turbo 4 in a Sports car. Heck, the Vette could be like a Porsche and the Camaro could be like a Subaru!
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A 4-cylinder Camaro again? GM tried it and failed before.

Or they could call it a Monza!
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:29 PM   #67
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Of course they are not getting rid of the V8. The plan is to just make it REALLY hard and REALLY expensive to get one.
I'm with the Captain on this one. They want my guns, my Cigars, my V8,--next they'll want my single malt scotch!
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:33 PM   #68
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We have a 4 cylinder Camaro already, it is called a L99

I can say that since I owned #230 one of the first L99's.
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I know times have changed, but I just hate to see the Camaro (6th Gen) especially, become just another economy transportation vehicle...I think the Gen5 (V6 included) sort of bucked the "trend" of being another run-of-the-mill, a little something for everybody type car...
The 5th Gen v6, I came to believe, was the modern type of what older small displacement v-8s were once upon a time, and the SS v-8's harkened back to what most remember and desired from the older first gen muscle cars...
I hear some "justify" the v6 because many other gen Camaros had them, but don't bring up the vast improvements over the old 6's, yet the I-4 is always touted as not being the same old dog 4-bangers...
...Just sayin' the "image" of what made the Camaro a success with the fifth gen, will be lost with the addition of a four-cylinder engine on the 6th, and the for the Camaro line of cars, a V-6 is "base" enough....Why it can't remain something "special", instead of going 4-cyl, like just about all other model lines have done is, for lack of a better expression, "watering-down" the image of the car, and may result in hurting sales, rather than improving them...

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I myself am not against a Turbo 4 in the camaro i just think that they wont cause it would mean certain death for a Frs/brz competitor I.E. the code 130R cause they both would be price similar and even though the 130 R would prolly have around 200 to 215 hp and weight around what the Brz/Frs performance would be around the same or better. I think a V6 and a V8 powertrain is what the camaro will have if they come out with the 130R
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Because a 2 cylinder Camaro would just be silly.

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...did not read the thread...Turbo 4 DI clean diesels provide a ton of torque and great fuel lileage. I have a VW TDI. It's amazing. Less mileage when it's cold, but up to 45 MPG highway otherwise.
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...did not read the thread...Turbo 4 DI clean diesels provide a ton of torque and great fuel lileage. I have a VW TDI. It's amazing. Less mileage when it's cold, but up to 45 MPG highway otherwise.
Well I'm convinced. I'll be looking for a scion cube or a VW TDI for a 4banger to swap out my LS3. I'm just worried if I'll be able to handle the neck breaking acceleration. I'm sure all you ZL1 owners and LSX owners are thinking the same thing.
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....LOL, I guess,.... however the Corporate 4 turbo will get great fuel economy, and will be a nice base engine despite moronic commentary such as yours...., just sayin....
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