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Old 01-27-2013, 08:00 PM   #51
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That's an interesting thought...I tend to feel the opposite: people admire and want to look like the ZL1/1LE...that's the best compliment you can get!
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Say bruh, I've been reading this thread the past two days figuring whether I agree or disagree with you. It's great you have the passion for the car. to that. There will always be people who see things differently. And the internet gives chance for them to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say out loud. I think GM made the most important thing about the ZL-1 unreplicateable. The Magnetic Ride Control. No matter what you do to any V6 or SS, you can't replicate that. Sure, an aftermarket blower on an SS can give it more power...sure, the front ends can be swapped. But, for what it's worth, the VIN and MRC sets the Z apart. I doubt if GM takes any design advice from the forum. If so, the Z-28 would be in production. But, this is a public place...LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!
I don't know if your post count() has anything to do with your reply to this thread but, I both of you and your comments. Nothing immature or disrespectful about it, thanks! Especially to you GySgt!
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:15 PM   #52
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Holy small potatos, Batman!...lol...I really hope all ZL1 owners aren't "bothered" by a few parts similar to theirs being added by others to their car...Wth?...Am hoping they are above this sort of petty bs...lol...

And besides, it takes more than a few appearance parts for a car to be a "clone"...
Cloned cars (compared to "tribute" types ) are imo complete copies of all features built by an individual as the factory would have...not just a front end, or a few badges...

I enjoy having a few non-stock items on mine...not trying to clone or decieve anyone...it's just part of the fun...
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Say bruh, I've been reading this thread the past two days figuring whether I agree or disagree with you. It's great you have the passion for the car. to that. There will always be people who see things differently. And the internet gives chance for them to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say out loud. I think GM made the most important thing about the ZL-1 unreplicateable. The Magnetic Ride Control. No matter what you do to any V6 or SS, you can't replicate that. Sure, an aftermarket blower on an SS can give it more power...sure, the front ends can be swapped. But, for what it's worth, the VIN and MRC sets the Z apart. I doubt if GM takes any design advice from the forum. If so, the Z-28 would be in production. But, this is a public place...LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!
Amen to that. My understanding is the OP's belief stem's from a purists perspective as to where a car's value stem's from the original equipment that is on the vehicle when it leaves the factory. His wish is only for GM to create a car so special and unique that it makes it very difficult and monetarily challenging for it to be replicated. Granted that is a tall order and would seem, like someone mentioned earlier, that would also put it in a price range that would make it exclusive also.

I think the Corvette could be used as an example as it doesn't have different body components as you change from the base to the ZR1 except for GFX, wheels and spoilers. The Camaro has 3 different front bumpers available from the factory and 3 different hoods. I think this is what his wish is for GM to produce a body style that doesn't need to have interchangeable body components in order to identify what car/trim level we are driving.
I know when I see a Corvette, I'm trying to distinguish what gen 1st and then look for the badges and added styling cues (from the factory) to see what trim level it is from there. I would think MOST people would want it this way, but there are plenty of others that want to add their own uniqueness to the car, hence the reason for aftermarket companies to satisfy these individuals.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:55 PM   #54
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Amen to that. My understanding is the OP's belief stem's from a purists perspective as to where a car's value stem's from the original equipment that is on the vehicle when it leaves the factory. His wish is only for GM to create a car so special and unique that it makes it very difficult and monetarily challenging for it to be replicated. Granted that is a tall order and would seem, like someone mentioned earlier, that would also put it in a price range that would make it exclusive also.

I think the Corvette could be used as an example as it doesn't have different body components as you change from the base to the ZR1 except for GFX, wheels and spoilers. The Camaro has 3 different front bumpers available from the factory and 3 different hoods. I think this is what his wish is for GM to produce a body style that doesn't need to have interchangeable body components in order to identify what car/trim level we are driving.
I know when I see a Corvette, I'm trying to distinguish what gen 1st and then look for the badges and added styling cues (from the factory) to see what trim level it is from there. I would think MOST people would want it this way, but there are plenty of others that want to add their own uniqueness to the car, hence the reason for aftermarket companies to satisfy these individuals.
Well said.
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Well said.
you're a fast reader and Thank you.
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you're a fast reader and Thank you.
When its well written, its a breeze to read through! lol.
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I understand the OP's frustration in a way. You pay for the top model and you don't want an LT guy driving around looking the same as you for a lot less money. The only thing is though, you do have the real deal and all the goodies behind that front end to make it earn the ZL1 name. So just be happy in knowing that your not an impostor.

You know, one can not purchase supersnake shelby parts without proof that they own a supersnake. They also cost a lot more than a ZL1 too.
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Do I get a pass with swapping out my facia since I have a ZL even though its a ZL600 vs ZL1.
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A huge benefit to me by swapping - since I track my car - is now having brake ducts. i couldnt for the life of me find brake ducts for my car. Also the added downforce is most helpful. So I now have all that and the great aggressive styling.

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Do I get a pass with swapping out my facia since I have a ZL even though its a ZL600 vs ZL1.
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A huge benefit to me by swapping - since I track my car - is now having brake ducts. i couldnt for the life of me find brake ducts for my car. Also the added downforce is most helpful. So I now have all that and the great aggressive styling.

It's all done with

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I think the Corvette could be used as an example as it doesn't have different body components as you change from the base to the ZR1 except for GFX, wheels and spoilers.
Not necessarily...

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I know when I see a Corvette, I'm trying to distinguish what gen 1st and then look for the badges and added styling cues (from the factory) to see what trim level it is from there.
Just as the front bumpers vary by trim level for the Camaro, the front fenders vary by trim level for the Corvette. The fenders are a body component like a bumper or hood, but I don't think it is as cheap, easy, and practical to swap out 2 fenders as it is to swap out 1 bumper.

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Not necessarily...



Just as the front bumpers vary by trim level for the Camaro, the front fenders vary by trim level for the Corvette. The fenders are a body component like a bumper or hood, but I don't think it is as cheap, easy, and practical to swap out 2 fenders as it is to swap out 1 bumper.

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Plus they seem to get a lot smaller when you go 'up' in trim levels.












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I personally think it's as bad as upbadging. When v6 owners throw on a ZL1 hood and bumper
I think it's tacky
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I personally think it's as bad as upbadging. When v6 owners throw on a ZL1 hood and bumper
I think it's tacky
I would agree with you, except the parts are functional. The front bumper has brake ducts, and the hood extracts heat. IMO, that's no different from someone buying an aftermarket hood or bumper. You guys need to let it go, cause we've been through all of this when people were putting SS bumpers on the V6's back in 2009. Real Camaro fans will know the difference, and the rest can't tell if you're driving a Camaro or a Mustang.
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Not necessarily...



Just as the front bumpers vary by trim level for the Camaro, the front fenders vary by trim level for the Corvette. The fenders are a body component like a bumper or hood, but I don't think it is as cheap, easy, and practical to swap out 2 fenders as it is to swap out 1 bumper.
Oh, good point. I didn't think of that. So, do you know if vette owners go about swapping fenders because of the styling/or advantage of doing so?
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I personally think it's as bad as upbadging. When v6 owners throw on a ZL1 hood and bumper
I think it's tacky
The people that do this are the ones that want to make their car to what they can create by what's available to do so. Though it might seem tacky to some of us, to them they are enhancing the car. It doesn't add value to the car but it gives them personal satisfaction, helps them to feel more connected to the car. Just my honest opinion.

I think most people are misinterpreting what the OP would like for GM to achieve is that he would like for GM to come out with a design that we don't have to shell out more money to make it look/operate right. ...right now that new Corvette's lookin' mighty fine, just got to get the wallet to agree.
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I would agree with you, except the parts are functional. The front bumper has brake ducts, and the hood extracts heat. IMO, that's no different from someone buying an aftermarket hood or bumper. You guys need to let it go, cause we've been through all of this when people were putting SS bumpers on the V6's back in 2009. Real Camaro fans will know the difference, and the rest can't tell if you're driving a Camaro or a Mustang.
I hope they aren't taking their LTs to the track on their stock brakes/pads. All I'm saying is it waters down the brand. There's a thread in the general section of a guy telling a camaro owner at a gas station about his special edition lt/zl1/rs...
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You have to be kidding me. There is nothing exclusive about a 50k car. You want to be the only show in town buy a ENZO,VEYRON etc.

To ask for "exclusive" from a mass produced car that you can order replacement parts for from pep boys is
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Should have kept the 1le.
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I don't understand all the negativity being directed toward the OP because a big part of the reason for buying a really expensive, exotic car like the ZL1 is to show the world how special you are. And if regular people can alter their plebian vehicles to mimic the appearance of your exotic, well then that defeats a large purpose of owning the exotic, doesn't it?

I feel your pain, OP.

Personally, I do not even wear my Rolex anymore because of the rampant proliferation of knock-offs that any poor person could afford. The final straw came when someone complimented my watch, but then asked if it was real. I just wanted to crawl into a hole and die.

Then, just the other night, while the wife and I were waiting for our usual table at Smith & Wollensky's, a woman, clearly a commoner (upper middle class at best), came in and stood next to us carrying what was obviously a counterfiet Prada bag. Needless to say the wife, carrying a real one, was embarassed beyond words and could only be placated with a buying spree at Tiffany's.

So yes, when regular people try to pretend they are us it is upsetting. Most people on this forum won't get that, but I've got your back.
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The timeslips of the ZL1 makes it different from a V6 or SS with the body panels, but you can't say anything about it if an SS looking like a ZL1 hands it to ya.
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I don't understand all the negativity being directed toward the OP because a big part of the reason for buying a really expensive, exotic car like the ZL1 is to show the world how special you are. And if regular people can alter their plebian vehicles to mimic the appearance of your exotic, well then that defeats a large purpose of owning the exotic, doesn't it?

I feel your pain, OP.

Personally, I do not even wear my Rolex anymore because of the rampant proliferation of knock-offs that any poor person could afford. The final straw came when someone complimented my watch, but then asked if it was real. I just wanted to crawl into a hole and die.

Then, just the other night, while the wife and I were waiting for our usual table at Smith & Wollensky's, a woman, clearly a commoner (upper middle class at best), came in and stood next to us carrying what was obviously a counterfiet Prada bag. Needless to say the wife, carrying a real one, was embarassed beyond words and could only be placated with a buying spree at Tiffany's.

So yes, when regular people try to pretend they are us it is upsetting. Most people on this forum won't get that, but I've got your back.
ZL1 exotic? On what planet?? Rolex,Prada and you drive a CHEVY?!Please practice safe sex...
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Cry much?

Should have kept the 1le.
Wasn't it you who said the 1LE was $50k? You can attempt to change your username but you can't change your stupidity. YUUSLOW, the learning channel can do wonders for you. I'll be praying for you....
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