[JanitorJay]

OK so that was a bad link. I know most of those cars were RWD so here is a better link to one of the teams pages
http://www.btcc-racing.com/teams/dynam.asp
all FWD and they win a lot 20/30 21/30 13/30. you cant tell me they have been winning like that over the last 3 years because they have bad handling dynamics because of the wing on the back

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

ill tell it to this guy

Wow. That's not understeer; nor is it oversteer. No, that is like, reverse steer. Give the man a prize.

[Raven]

Pretty funny!

[twigg107]

Originally Posted by stovt001

That is provided you can get a little import tuner up to high enough speeds to take advantage of downforce. Not likely. Silly imports.

yay for brain dead statements......

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by JanitorJay

OK so that was a bad link. I know most of those cars were RWD so here is a better link to one of the teams pages
http://www.btcc-racing.com/teams/dynam.asp
all FWD and they win a lot 20/30 21/30 13/30. you cant tell me they have been winning like that over the last 3 years because they have bad handling dynamics because of the wing on the back

i can almost guarantee, that the wing on the back of those isnt doing anything major if at all. ill give it to you that imports and fwd cars can be made to go fast and handle well, but when we compare a racing team with a spoiler (and I call it that for a reason) to a ricer on the street with a bookshelf, there's just a tiny difference...lol. ive seen a lot of those racers with cars w/o a wing/spoiler on the back, and they still win. put a great driver in a crappy car and a crappy driver in a great car and tell me who wins

[DGthe3]

What about the wing on the back of the Cobalt SS? It comes that way from the factory. Wonder if the same person in charger of the Aztec's styling did that do the Cobalt . . .

[LSxcellent]

Just to through some gas on this flaming fire...

The one thing that a rear wing on a FWD WILL do is help under heavy braking. It can reduce the amount of rear end lift, increasing the effectiveness of the rear brakes at high speed.

Also, since most FWD cars are VERY nose heavy (think 63%/27% balance) the wing can also help to even out effective weight distribution at higher speeds, allowing both sets of tires to break free more evenly.

Of course, NONE of this applies to street cars... but whatever. Sushi bars are even cooler on your trunk.

~LSx

[Mr. Wyndham]

Supposedly, and I don't have any data to support this...but supposedly those "wings" i.e. Bookshelves, Shopping cart handles, w/e Don't actually help anything untill speeds of about 140-160 mph...

heard it from one of my professors, so

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Supposedly, and I don't have any data to support this...but supposedly those "wings" i.e. Bookshelves, Shopping cart handles, w/e Don't actually help anything untill speeds of about 140-160 mph...

heard it from one of my professors, so

yup, a lot of spoilers/wings wont give enough of an added effect of downforce to make them worthwhile, hell the veyron actually has to lower its spoiler to get above 250mph. lol

[redneck13]

lmao "i think the wings there so if you break down u can just push it home like a big @ss shoping cart"
and hes completely right too, my cousins went to see that the day after it came out. they thought that their 89 celica was a race car, they tried to do a brake torque, you know, you make the tires spin and the car isnt moving, ON A FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAR!! lets just say it wasnt a race car very long....

[RiceRocket]

Okay..in defense of my import people, I feel like I must step in and educate some of you naysayers, and youngsters that hate on imports for no other reason but that they are not domestics.

Even on a FWD car, a mild spoiler can provide effective downforce at high speed and cornering.
Yes, I hate seeing huge spoilers on Civics as much as the next guy...and yes, probably 80% of production spoilers on cars sold in the world are for cosmetic purposes only.

No, a car does not need to be travelling at excessive speed for a spoiler to be functional.
Not sure where you got that from.

I have had this conversation so many times, I have a billion scientific resources supporting the aerodynamics of rear spoilers on FWD, AWD and RWD vehicles.
Would be glad to provide you guys with some links.

I get teased constantly about my giant shopping cart wing on the regular, but people generally stop laughing once they are riding shotgun with me at 180....and they feel how stable the car is.
The Supra spoiler provides 60lbs of downforce at 80MPH, and increases significantly after 100+MPH.....up to 200lbs at 150MPH!!!


Anyways...stop ragging on FWD cars with spoilers, cuz I know at least a few of you have owned a Focus or Escort at some point with a spoiler on it.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by RiceRocket

The Supra spoiler provides 60lbs of downforce at 80MPH, and increases significantly after 100+MPH.....up to 200lbs at 150MPH!!!

I doubt it. Anyways why would you want that much pressure of 200lbs at 100+? That would be slowing your car down giving it more weight to carry lol. You want down force.. but not that much, and I doubt that wing could hold 200lbs of pressure anyways lolllll

don't take this offensively though.. there are some imports I like.. not many.. but a few.

[TAG UR IT]

The faster you go, the less tire patch that hits the road. Then, your car will be less stable. I'm VERY sure it's putting down a lot of weight...don't know how much, but 200lbs woudn't suprise me. The more downforce, the more it puts pressure on the tires to come in contact w/ the ground...which equals more traction and better stability.

[stovt001]

If I wanted 60 lbs pushing down the back of my car I'd tie my sister's basset hound down in the trunk... Yes, I jest.

Really though, if your road car has a rear wing anywhere near the size of a Formula 1 wing, that is beyond excessive.