[haggler]

People like to say no one buys sedans yet the most popular car I see around me are camrys, civics, and accords. Theyve been trailing the competition for many years. The margins are there on the Cadillac side of the house to continue selling sedans but not Chevy. Its a shame because I do prefer sedans.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by MT-SS1LE

Article says Malibu is going away to make room for some EV (that Americans don't want). As more Americans realize that EV's are not what the government and the car makers claimed, I imagine their sales figures will continue to decline. This is what happens with the government forces their idiotic ideology onto private businesses instead of letting market forces decide.

+1

[arpad_m]

GM apologists will soon be here to quote the corporation's annual profits hovering around $14-18B for a decade, which, according to them, justifies everything.

[wintertopdown]

I drove an Impala rental from West Virginia to Arizona to pickup a Tremec 3060 for my Gen6 stranded in Kentucky. Very comfortable car.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

GM apologists will soon be here to quote the corporation's annual profits hovering around $14-18B for a decade, which, according to them, justifies everything.

Oh I’m fully expecting them to start telling us how we’re wrong.

[AZCamaroFan]

that was their last 'regular' car.
corvette-sports car of course
everything else is a crossover, suv or electric.
so not surprised.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Is anyone else like.... bye, Felicia?

I am obviously not a fan of the Malibu. Not back in 1997, not in 2004, 08, 13, or 2016. It's always been the car which never truly measured up to similarly sized competitors.

Did you ever actually like, drive one? Or own one? I drove a couple as rentals and bought a 2012 as a result. I owned it for seven years and 57,000 miles. The performance with the 4 cylinder was nothing to write home about but fine for my purposes at the time (the V6 models must have been rocket ships), it was quiet, rode well and the handling was good. And it was dead nuts reliable as in Nothing going wrong in those seven years.

My criticism of the model began with the 2017 redesign which resulted in a car that looked like every other mid-sized car on the planet.

[Ray3768]

My wife was quite sad after I told her the Malibu has be canceled. She currently drives a 2017 Malibu Premier. The 2017 Premier came equipped with the 2.0 liter turbo LTG engine (hmm, what other car comes with this engine?) and a 9-speed transmission. It weighs ~3,300 lbs. The car has been reliable, comfortable to drive, and handles well due to the light weight. Fun fact: It is both faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile than my old 1988 Trans Am WS6 5.7L. I have caught many people driving much more expensive cars by surprise at the stop light while driving it. It will spin the front wheels in 1st and 2nd gear from a stop. You actually have to pedal it a bit to maintain traction before going full throttle.

-Ray

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

No doubt there will be nothing but excuses about how Malibu is not wanted! Funny how we're told nobody wants an Impala, Camaro, Malibu, or anything other than an under powered SUV or EV yet I constantly run into people wanting them all. I personally have 2 kids driving older Impalas, one wont buy a new car because he hasnt found something the same size and price point that he likes. I wanted another Impala but had to settle for an Equinox because the Impala is dead.

Well it’s true. You may not want to hear it but when sales get to the point you don’t have business justification for $250 million for a light refresh let alone a Billion for an all new model they die.

Malib and Impala were decent cars. But note Hyundai/Kia, Toyota and Honda all still have 2 sedans in their line ups. Only Cadillac now has sedans and GM as a whole has 3 cars. They did this to themselves over the years. Toyota and Honda maintained on reliability and resale. Hyundai/Kia not so much but GM made “pretty good” cars. Just not great ones (Camaro being the exception here as it was truly great but didn’t sell for other reasons). I really liked my LaCrosse. Very solid car. Still make it in China. And Buick just showed some very slick sedans…….in China.

I was there when GM was forced to cost cut on everything and I was here when they made dumb product decisions to differentiate the brands. Go back to 5e LaCrosse. LWB Epsilon, Mailibu was SWB Epsilon. Impala? Base suspension only. Buick? Linked H-arm/hyper strut suspension optional. Cadillac XTS? Standard. That uplevel suspension could have worked to make the Impala and it would have even worked on the Malibu but nope. How about the TT V6 in the XTS? Would have fit in the Impala. Or better yet have about an AWD 400 HP Regal? All the parts were there for some compelling cars.

But in the end they weren’t spectacular and if you weren’t brand loyal you bought a Honda or Toyota, both of which have launched an all new Accord and Camry in the last year. Both hybrids and pretty great cars.

Sad.

[djm96z28]

Not a big deal to me. IMO, the last Malibu rolled off the assembly line in 1977. From then on they were hideous. But that's me.....

[taylorforschool@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by olrocker

I had a 2015 Ford Fusion for a rental for two weeks while I was in Phoenix on vacation in Jan 2016. I’ve also had a 2022 Malibu as a rental last year.

Both cars I was very pleased with. They’re built well, good interior quality, in fact the Fusion was even better than Honda and Toyota at that time. Smooth engines, good performance, very nice cars. Better chassis than I would gave thought.

It always seems that the American companies kill cars right at the moment they’ve finally made them high quality and competitive or better than Japan. It’s like, they start off with junk, steadily improve it, then when it’s right they cancel it and kill the chassis and nameplate.

Bob Lutz called the Camaro’s Alpha chassis the best chassis GM ever made and I absolutely agree.

Yet here we are.

At your job, you keep improving your performance and get to where you’re one of the best in your position then your boss fires you.

Makes sense.

Believe it or not I experienced in a round a bout way exactly what you stated in the last two lines. I have to come to learn since,big companies don’t say it aloud, but planned obsolescence is supported in the workforce and over performers are quietly ousted.

I’m trying to summarize but there is obviously a ton more to the story. If I ever run a business. I obviously will not follow the big business, corporate stockholder model. It’s toxic, terrible, and bad for the customer. Something about something some big finance guy said in the 80s about how public traded companies are to be ran with one goal in mind- stockholder value- and just throw everything else down the toilet. Surprisingly he showed it worked. In my opinion it doesn’t work the best but at some companies… it works all too well.

[taylorforschool@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

Did you ever actually like, drive one? Or own one? I drove a couple as rentals and bought a 2012 as a result. I owned it for seven years and 57,000 miles. The performance with the 4 cylinder was nothing to write home about but fine for my purposes at the time (the V6 models must have been rocket ships), it was quiet, rode well and the handling was good. And it was dead nuts reliable as in Nothing going wrong in those seven years.

My criticism of the model began with the 2017 redesign which resulted in a car that looked like every other mid-sized car on the planet.

My woman’s daily is a 2013 LTZ with 78k miles and 0 issues to date. I’m not saying some aren’t down the road for the little 4-banger but its held up so far

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well it’s true. You may not want to hear it but when sales get to the point you don’t have business justification for $250 million for a light refresh let alone a Billion for an all new model they die.

Malib and Impala were decent cars. But note Hyundai/Kia, Toyota and Honda all still have 2 sedans in their line ups. Only Cadillac now has sedans and GM as a whole has 3 cars. They did this to themselves over the years. Toyota and Honda maintained on reliability and resale. Hyundai/Kia not so much but GM made “pretty good” cars. Just not great ones (Camaro being the exception here as it was truly great but didn’t sell for other reasons). I really liked my LaCrosse. Very solid car. Still make it in China. And Buick just showed some very slick sedans…….in China.

I was there when GM was forced to cost cut on everything and I was here when they made dumb product decisions to differentiate the brands. Go back to 5e LaCrosse. LWB Epsilon, Mailibu was SWB Epsilon. Impala? Base suspension only. Buick? Linked H-arm/hyper strut suspension optional. Cadillac XTS? Standard. That uplevel suspension could have worked to make the Impala and it would have even worked on the Malibu but nope. How about the TT V6 in the XTS? Would have fit in the Impala. Or better yet have about an AWD 400 HP Regal? All the parts were there for some compelling cars.

But in the end they weren’t spectacular and if you weren’t brand loyal you bought a Honda or Toyota, both of which have launched an all new Accord and Camry in the last year. Both hybrids and pretty great cars.

Sad.

Malibu sales were up 13% last year.

[SomeGeoffGuy]

Originally Posted by RIPws6

They will lose more money investing in EV’s. They don’t seem to get it.

Like they have a choice? It's a government mandate.

-Geoff