12-02-2022, 02:44 PM | #169 |
Drives: 2022 Camaro SS ILE M6 Join Date: Mar 2022
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I think you're right. He does sound a little bitter doesn't he! I love the 6 gen in all trims but for my money I'll go with the 1LE every day of the week.
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12-01-2023, 04:55 AM | #170 |
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Recently I test drove a '22 Camaro SS1LE 6MT, and found no reason to upgrade my Camaro SS2 for one, just for spirited street driving, because it would only increase the cost of consumables (tires, brakes, etc) without any other advantage since the 6th gen Camaro SS already has great handling characteristics. Also for some strange reason I noticed that if I steeped on the gas from low speed, the rear was moving sideways very easy even with wider tires at the rear in about a 60 F temperature.
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12-01-2023, 07:50 AM | #171 | |
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I found 1LE spec wheels/tires more capable even on the street, you can definitely have better turn-in and more lateral acceleration with those. I was only able to push the stock 2SS sized tires to about 0.95g before the tires started squealing, while I was able to do 1.15g on my current 1LE setup without the tires even chirping (both using Michelin PS4S tires). The actual limit is certainly well beyond what I want (dare) to do on public roads, but it's not true that 1LE wheels/tires make no difference on the street. As an added perk, they also look killer, those wheels are the best ever, and meaty rear tires are just yum.
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12-01-2023, 10:33 AM | #172 |
Drives: 2023 Camaro 1SS M6 Join Date: Mar 2023
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It all depends on what you need. For someone like me who drives maybe 2,500 miles a year on the weekends and to shows, the 1LE would really be a $7,000 appearance package. Like others above said, on public roads you will never need anything close to those brakes or handling capabilities. Even the tire compound is excessive, although I will say that the wheels are awesome looking and the rear size would be nice for traction.
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12-01-2023, 11:10 AM | #173 | |
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Not worth it to me. I never plan to track my car. But the magnaride is worth it. Put Magride in track mode and you will be able to hit tight curves and ramps completely flat with no lean. The back end will come loose before it leans. |
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12-01-2023, 11:13 AM | #174 | |
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12-01-2023, 02:20 PM | #175 | |
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Mag ride is so nice to have and I would be really annoyed if I couldn't change the settings and only had one to live with. Blind spot monitoring is really really nice to have as the visibility in this car leaves much to be desired. I dont know if this helps but I also decided against 1LE package as I wont track the car but will drag strip it next year now that it's broken in. Also 1LE brembo replacement cost is quite high vs 2SS brakes. Tires are also more narrow on a 2SS. Hopefully I got my facts right so please correct me if they are wrong. |
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12-01-2023, 02:39 PM | #176 |
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I can't imagine a case where someone would "upgrade" from a SS to a SS 1LE, since you can build out an SS as a better track vehicle by putting more money into it and not facing the instant depreciation of buying a new car. Make no mistake, the 1LE is a significantly better track animal stock and doesn't need anything but tires and consumables, but if you are really serious about tracking, you are going to do things like coil-overs, aftermarket sways and end-links, smaller wheels diameter, better brake pads and possibly upgraded brakes, take out the rear seats, and a bunch other stuff that will get you either a better track animal or at least one that's "in the noise" as far as how close it is.
But either having a V6 or no Camaro, the 1LE is a great car to consider getting outright.
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12-01-2023, 06:08 PM | #177 | |
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Most of the people running road course don't upgrade more than just the break pads and maybe the wheels/tires. Why, because the 1LE already does very well in that environment. AutoX guys on the other hand are the ones typically changing Camaro sway bars to aftermarket and getting more into suspension changes. I haven't done autoX, but the forum and other info on-line makes it seem to me that it tends to demand more aggressive inputs and perhaps more aggressive suspensions than you can find OEM. Or maybe the aftermarket upgrading is just the result of the competitive nature of autoX and wanting all the edge you can get over the next guy. |
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12-01-2023, 06:59 PM | #178 |
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I recently bought my LT1 and I've been pleasantly surprised at how firm the suspension is. Body motions are well controlled. I was considering a 1LE, but a similar age used 1LE was $15K more. Since my other car is already modified for the track, I guess at least one of my cars should be "practical".
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12-01-2023, 07:15 PM | #179 | |
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12-01-2023, 07:45 PM | #180 |
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What you can't make up for in the non-1LE is the rear e-diff and PTM modes, and ABS calibration for the much grippier SC3 tires... none of which matter on the street.
OTOH, you are getting a lot for that $7k. The wheel and tire package alone is a lot of cash, so are the brakes, and pad costs don't matter, they'll last years on the street. The splitter, spoiler and satin black hood all look nice too. Then add Recaro seats, HUD, Magride, short throw shifter, FE4 vs FE3 suspension, higher resale value... it might be worth the upgrade even if you don't track it. In either case you'll want different tires and even better, wheels too, for street use. 1LE's SC3 are more track oriented, non-1LE are super heavy run-flats.
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My biggest surprise that I thought was relevant to this thread coming from the Ford world is that the lowest option V8 Camaro actually has springs and shocks set up for decent performance rather than the mushiest, softest springs and shocks possible like a Mustang would have. Quote:
I'm planning to remove the rubber air dam under the LT1 to try to improve ground clearance. I think the air dam will make it more difficult to get through deep snow. I noticed that the 18 inch rims I bought for snow tires soften the ride and reduced NVH significantly over the factory 20s that came on my LT1. Mine didn't have the run flats on it, there were cheap brand snows in the rear and somewhat worn all seasons in the front. I'm considering replacing those as well or possibly going to wider 18s for summer use. I may just stick with a good all season though as it's nice to have one car with tires that are easy to drive on no matter the weather. |
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