[Gen6cyl]

Maybe the 6 is a better daily.

[Wildcard]

Originally Posted by BundiMan

They always talk about how few cars have sold recently, but if you only make 26k Camaros a year, you can only sell 26k.

EXACTLY. This is what I keep arguing with my mustang GT owner neighbor about. Ford made thousands more mustangs than Chevrolet could kept up with production on 2022 and 2023 Camaros. Heck look at the 2024 mustang, and tell me if they didn’t copy Camaro cues

This is just like accounting. What do you want the numbers to say? Do you want to show a loss or a gain.

The proper magazine article titles should be: New Camaros are more rare than new mustangs.
Based on production numbers.

And what would you enjoy more? Something that everybody sees all the time and is bored of? Or something a little more special.

[LA_LT1]

I love the Camaro, but its major flaw compared to the Stang and Challenger is daily usability. Let's face it, the visibility and rear seat access are poor. The trunk is OK but the small opening limits usability.
For how large the car is, the interior does not utilize space well.

Chevy prioritized a low slung sportscar feel over practicality. The mustang and challenger are easier to live with, even though they drive worse. The average consumer wants a cool looking car that drives OK but can also work in their daily life. The Camaro is really more of a true sports car which is awesome but alienates the average consumer.

It could have been possible to keep the driving dynamics with more practicality.
My E92 M3 is basically the same size as the Camaro but has a much bigger trunk, the interior has more areas for storage, and actual adults can fit in the rear seats even though its a coupe.

[Casper the friendly G]

Originally Posted by LA_LT1

I love the Camaro, but its major flaw compared to the Stang and Challenger is daily usability. Let's face it, the visibility and rear seat access are poor. The trunk is OK but the small opening limits usability.
For how large the car is, the interior does not utilize space well.

Chevy prioritized a low slung sportscar feel over practicality. The mustang and challenger are easier to live with, even though they drive worse. The average consumer wants a cool looking car that drives OK but can also work in their daily life. The Camaro is really more of a true sports car which is awesome but alienates the average consumer.

It could have been possible to keep the driving dynamics with more practicality.
My E92 M3 is basically the same size as the Camaro but has a much bigger trunk, the interior has more areas for storage, and actual adults can fit in the rear seats even though its a coupe.

But your M3 looks like a POD.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

My ZL1 is my daily driver and it sucks.

Uh-oh, please don't tell us the Challenger is beckoning again

Just messing with you, of course. Depending on what one needs in a daily, the Camaro does have a few tradeoffs. I could (and did) use it just fine to commute for a while.

[genxer]

The new Mustang has left a hole for lower price Camaros. A trim reshuffle could help in lieu of a real refresh. I'd like to see circle headlights though.

The Camaro needed to straddle base, enthusiast, and SS drivers.
The pro-size and weight side isn't super credible, but LA_LT1 is right.
'67 is still the archetype. 3rd gen honorable mention for cheap car handling.

[armycop71]

Originally Posted by genxer

The new Mustang has left a hole for lower price Camaros.

How is this true? They have priced the base Mustang (automatic trans only) at $30,900 which is almost the same as a 1LT automatic with the 2.0L. The GT starts at almost the same base price as a 1SS. The Camaro is only going to be around for another year, I doubt they will make any big changes besides a "farewell" edition.

[genxer]

Originally Posted by armycop71

How is this true? They have priced the base Mustang (automatic trans only) at $30,900 which is almost the same as a 1LT automatic with the 2.0L. The GT starts at almost the same base price as a 1SS. The Camaro is only going to be around for another year, I doubt they will make any big changes besides a "farewell" edition.

I just think they're not giving the current car any attention.

Ford consolidated options to increase profit. The uptrim ecoboost is $38. Ford's price doesn't include destination. Their prices aren't good. Camaro 1LT V6 is under $30 with destination, and there's a $28 LS trim below, mid 30's 3LT, and LT1 is technically under 38.

Yeah, the Camaro won't get at least a creature feature refresh for the high trim buyers. Off the board: nicer 2/3LT, nicer loaded LT1, nicer 2SS/1LE, ZL1s.

They could just delved into the parts bin to help hold the line on the bottom. Manual only seats, no leather wheel, cheaper radio. Base LS auto, the former V6 1LE could've been sort of a 0LE with a better price, no option LT1, potential 1LE as a trim below 1SS/1LE.

[90503]

An article on pricing, Camaro, Mustang, etc...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...2ea34078&ei=59

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by genxer

I just think they're not giving the current car any attention.

Ford consolidated options to increase profit. The uptrim ecoboost is $38. Ford's price doesn't include destination. Their prices aren't good. Camaro 1LT V6 is under $30 with destination, and there's a $28 LS trim below, mid 30's 3LT, and LT1 is technically under 38.

Yeah, the Camaro won't get at least a creature feature refresh for the high trim buyers. Off the board: nicer 2/3LT, nicer loaded LT1, nicer 2SS/1LE, ZL1s.

They could just delved into the parts bin to help hold the line on the bottom. Manual only seats, no leather wheel, cheaper radio. Base LS auto, the former V6 1LE could've been sort of a 0LE with a better price, no option LT1, potential 1LE as a trim below 1SS/1LE.

The Camaro 1LT 3.6L V6 with no options, other than the A10, MSRP's for $31,485, $29,895 with the M6. Both also carry an additional $1,395 for "Destination Freight Charge". Which is the exact same as Ford's $1,395 "Destination Charge".


The 2.0T 1LS M6 is $27,795 and the A10 is $29,290 respectively, and they also carry the same $1,395 Destination Freight Charge on top of MSRP.

[LancevanceZLE]

Originally Posted by PizzzzzaForPresident

How is that relevant? Do Lexus and BMW not exist where you live? With the SS creeping into M2 Comp territory and ZL1 approaching M4 territory, cross shopping most definitely happens. I did, and I know some youtubers have as well. The Camaro offers performance on a budget, but if you don't care about that then there's nothing it offers for you. Just about any Lexus or BMW are more pleasant to drive. If the M4 didn't start at $30k+ over an SS I would for sure be in one over my Camaro. You have to pay more for performance with those brands, just like anything else in life.

Except M4 doesn't have a supercharged V8. The M4 sounds like crap and drives worse. Steering is so numb

I cross shopped my ZL1 with the following: M4, C63 AMG, Alfa Quad, F type R, CT4V Blackwing, 10yo 911, Cayman, LC500 and Mustang (I've already owned a Challenger).

I realized I've used the rear seats twice over the past 2 years, so all sedans were out.

Cayman only comes in 4 cylinder around the same price, so that's out.

997 911 felt too slow and old

Mustang GT350 is too unreliable, Mach 1 is a bad deal and regular GT has crappy manual

C63AMG has a sweet engine, but otherwise pretty expensive for the build quality which has really gone downhill and no manual

F type R: great engine, not too reliable, no manual

M4: engine sounds like crap, manual didn't feel right, steering numb, expensive to maintain

ZL1: engine has amazing power and sounds great, manual feels great, build quality was decent, chassis and steering feel great, cheaper than most other options

LC500: engine sounds great, power is decent but not amazing, build quality and interior is fantastic, heavy and a bit numb, but very comfy, reliable, a little expensive. Probably my second choice

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Uh-oh, please don't tell us the Challenger is beckoning again

Just messing with you, of course. Depending on what one needs in a daily, the Camaro does have a few tradeoffs. I could (and did) use it just fine to commute for a while.

Me being a goof like usual, there is zero reason not to Daily a Camaro. People are just silly.

[LancevanceZLE]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Me being a goof like usual, there is zero reason not to Daily a Camaro. People are just silly.

I daily my manual ZL1 1LE in city traffic and I'm loving it. No reason why you couldn't daily an SS financials and not too extreme weather permitting

[genxer]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

The Camaro 1LT 3.6L V6 with no options, other than the A10, MSRP's for $31,485, $29,895 with the M6. Both also carry an additional $1,395 for "Destination Freight Charge". Which is the exact same as Ford's $1,395 "Destination Charge".


The 2.0T 1LS M6 is $27,795 and the A10 is $29,290 respectively, and they also carry the same $1,395 Destination Freight Charge on top of MSRP.

Thank you for the correction.