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The HD Truck market and over the road Semi Truck drivers say hi. Ford dropped the EV development for their Superduty Trucks and Ram also said ICE has no end date. So yeah I would say ICE is still the future. I have seen and heard talks of Hydrogen making its way in to an HD due to extreme loss of efficiency of an EV while towing. TFL did a towing test with a Ford Lightning vs a Gas truck it only went 85 miles were the gas truck could tow much much farther and that wasn't even a diesel. EDIT: Looks like ICE will be around in the 1500/150 trucks as well with their EV counterparts with no end date at least for Ram and Ford. Last edited by Devstrike; 08-22-2022 at 04:06 PM. |
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08-23-2022, 05:55 AM | #380 |
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Looks like another great side effect of EV's. Ford cutting 3000 jobs to lower costs in transition to EVs.
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08-23-2022, 08:41 AM | #381 | |
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From the esteemed World Economic Forum: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...ical-minerals/ "Shifting from fossil fuels to renewables requires huge amounts of critical metals. Recycling alone won't be enough to sustain the amount of materials needed We need to increase sharing, reuse and a preference for longevity to reduce demand. We need a clean energy revolution, and we need it now. But this transition from fossil fuels to renewables will need large supplies of critical metals such as cobalt, lithium, nickel, to name a few. Shortages of these critical minerals could raise the costs of clean energy technologies." ('Ya think?) EVs will never be produced in numbers close to ICE, it will be impossible. There will be shortages of available vehicles and extremely high costs to produce or own one. Meanwhile, fossil fueled ICE vehicles will have been discontinued and unavailable. The policies and planning that will follow can only be Orwellian by necessity. (As the WEF contends). The wrong side of history will have been to eliminate fossil fuels and ICE as a standard quality of life and the freedom it provided, and blindly or more likely intentionally, replacing it with an unsustainable system of rare earth material dependent transportation. Throwing away ICE, fossil fuels, and the quality of life and standards of living it has provided to millions will be shown by history to be the biggest unforced error and folly. |
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I think it’ll be a mix. EV make sense for some folks, others it does not. I’m really blown away by the EV crowd though - it’s not new tech. Electric motors date back to ICE origin dates.
Tesla has done an outstanding job marketing EV though. There’s not much an EV does that you couldn’t do with a ICE vehicle. Packaging is easier and HP is easier because you don’t have to worry about CAFE laws. I expect legislation on EV to come to limit HP extending range. It’s the Wild West right now. Range sucks and all the folks that I know that bought EV have decided to go back to ICE for convenience. Yes someone can say map this out and whatever, fact is folks forget to plug it in or a charger is broken, or not one close by. One of the younger kids I know that got rid of his model S said he had to miss out on trips that spontaneously came up with the guys because his car wasn’t charged up. He got rid of it.
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08-23-2022, 12:09 PM | #383 | |
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If I had a Model 3 Performance, but put the 18" wheels with the low resistance tires on from the LR, as long as I drive the same, it will have the same range as the LR. In fact Tesla used to build such a vehicle known by the community as the Model 3 Stealth. It was equipped as an LR, but had the motors from the performance. The aero and wheels/tires is the reason why the Performance gets less range than the LR. Last edited by ChevyRules; 08-23-2022 at 12:36 PM. |
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08-23-2022, 12:49 PM | #384 | |
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It's hard to have a reasoned debate with people who choose to only debate some of the issues while pretending some issues don't exist. |
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08-23-2022, 12:56 PM | #385 | |
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The problem is automobiles back then were decided by the MARKET. Consumers WANTED the switch and the change. It was not pushed so feverishly by government intervention. It was met with government accommodation, such as the expansion of the interstate highway system (which had more roles than just serving commuters. It's part of the national defense system), but not intervention. People desired the freedom and flexibility of automobiles and as a result, infrastructure changed to accommodate them. Today, Government is pushing incentives to encourage EV participation and also using our tax dollars to build EV charging stations (while foolishly DECREASING Power Grid Capacity by removing reliable energy in favor of 'green energy'... which isn't as green or reliable as its marketed to be ... ) They are only telling the public half truths about EV's.. ..they do not tell the public that EV's generally are not cleaner than ICE vehicles when considering their emissions from their conception to their condemnation, or the fact that most of the nation does not have an abundance of super charging stations, infact currently EV's actually greatly outweigh current supercharging capacity, this is due to supply and also the fact that an EV has to sit at a super charger much longer than an ICE vehicle has to refuel making it so that vehicles have to wait longer to recharge. These vehicles - if mass adopted in their current form are going to change consumer lives in a very big way and the fact that they are not giving us a choice on how we want to get around, by removing ICE vehicles and labeling them as dirty, when EV's are just as dirty.. ..speaks volumes.. It isn't to make the environment better, it is to control the people and manipulate them into what profits government, who happens to be in the control of Billionares.. ..and that is what is pissing people off.. they want to take away our rights for their personal prosperity. |
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08-23-2022, 02:38 PM | #387 |
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Yes, i too am tired of hearing from the EV crowd, the suggestion electric motors are 'higher' tech. I'm also annoyed at the horse vs car is ICE vs EV comparison on multiple levels. Many people still ride horses as a hobby! It's not an insult, and they're not doing it because they're anti-tech.
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This is a really informative video that explains the new Climate Change bill will influence government spending to update our electric power grid, existing nuclear/hydro/geothermal plants. |
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And I just love how everyone has picked up on “wrong side of history”. This either works or it doesn’t. GM could be back to 100% ICE in 3 to 4 years. And they won’t do that just because the EVs launched or coming are pretty solid choices. The only risk of failure is that they have to back pedal on going 100% EV. None of them will likely ever go back to 100% ICE. And lastly, the elements needed for every single ICE car and truck are so valuable they are being stolen. Platinum, palladium and rhodium. None require to make an EV emissions compliant.
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1. The vast bulk of the money is going to exactly what I expected, wind and solar and as I stated and he acknowledges the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. Do some research on how much acreage it would take for enough solar and wind to power this country. You could cover all of California and not have enough. 2. The money for nuclear is designated for keeping existing plants online, at least that's what the narrator of the video says. That doesn't expand our infrastructure, it just maintains what we already have. And, they'll only give that money out with a bunch of management strings attached. 3. The research money seems fine, no harm in research and often some good. 4. All the stimulus money is just going to increase the strain on the electric grid. The expanded subsidies for buying EVs, the subsidies from switching from gas to electric stoves and hot water heaters. That just exacerbates the problem. 5. There's no money for new nuclear plants. There's no money for upgrading coal fired plants. There's almost nothing for hydro. So although I appreciate the information in the video I don't find it persuasive. |
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08-23-2022, 04:32 PM | #392 | |
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Aside from that... The post you quoted of mine didn't say anything about an EV being better then an ICE. It said until the consumer sees a benefit to buying an EV... They will never become mainstream unless they are simply being forced upon us.. Which they are! Last edited by jamala00; 08-23-2022 at 05:48 PM. |
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