[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by joe944

That's insane. My first set lasted maybe 5k?

They were probably ready for a change by 12k but I kept putting it off... that 21k included at lot shenanigans

[13vertss]

Tire pics of both cars.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Tire pics of both cars.

I dont know enough about Cup 2s to say if those look worn or not. I still think the tire excuse is pathetic lol.

[BlaqWhole]

Again, you don't race a car that has worn tires, lose, and then when all is said and done blame the tires. Why would anyone even race a car that has "well cooked" tires in the first place? It is pointless.

Basically the GT500 lost. Again. And to a significantly cheaper significantly underpowered car. Again. In more than one area. Again.

It hasn't beaten any of the Supercars it was supposed to "kill". The Ferrari destroyed it. The GT3 beat it. The C8 Base and Z51 beat it in the quarter mile. The ZL1 beat it in the quarter mile based on time and distance. The RE beat it in a roll race. The ZLE beat it around a track. The old ZL1 time was faster than it around a track. I swear it has more losses than wins. They won't put it up against a RWD FE American car with similar HP...ZR1...because it will lose at everything. They won't put it up against a C8 Z06 because it will lose at everything. And when the C8 GS/Z06/ZR1 shows up they are not gonna match it to those either. The only car it has managed to beat at everything is, surprise surprise, the GT350R...which is more expensive than the Base GT500 if that makes any damn sense. And I'd bet the R will beat the Base GT500 around some tracks. So what exactly was this car built for?

BTW, where is TreedYou and Bradmo?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So what exactly was this car built for?

The crown jewel of a generation plagued by mistake after mistake. Ford didn't take the 6th Gen Camaro seriously until it was too late.

I honestly think Ford did the best they could here. I'm not defending them by any means but this was the best they could do. My opinion here is that they spent too much time and money on a FPC engine that just didnt work out well.

They have struggled to build a competent chassis incorporating IRS and lower trim Camaros are giving the Mustang all it can handle and then some. The Camaro V6 1LE annihilated the GT PP1. The SLE is so close to the 350 Ford won't even allow a comparison. They have had to go back and refresh the 5.0 to compete with the SS and develop a PP2 (on personal time) to compete with the SLE. All of that costing valuable time and money.

And now this. The ZL1 and ZLE are beating the 500 at everything but roll racing.

Given the chassis disadvantage and everything else, Ford did the best they could. In any other generation this car would be a clear winner.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The crown jewel of a generation plagued by mistake after mistake. Ford didn't take the 6th Gen Camaro seriously until it was too late.

I honestly think Ford did the best they could here. I'm not defending them by any means but this was the best they could do. My opinion here is that they spent too much time and money on a FPC engine that just didnt work out well.

They have struggled to build a competent chassis incorporating IRS and lower trim Camaros are giving the Mustang all it can handle and then some. The Camaro V6 1LE annihilated the GT PP1. The SLE is so close to the 350 Ford won't even allow a comparison. They have had to go back and refresh the 5.0 to compete with the SS and develop a PP2 (on personal time) to compete with the SLE. All of that costing valuable time and money.

And now this. The ZL1 and ZLE are beating the 500 at everything but roll racing.

Given the chassis disadvantage and everything else, Ford did the best they could. In any other generation this car would be a clear winner.

Great summary. Nailed it.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Tire pics of both cars.

The front tire on the ZL1 look like MPS4S

EDIT: Watched the video on my big screen...

MPS4S up front and GYSC3R rear on the ZL1 1LE (see first two pictures). That car does NOT have a track alignment or any significant front camber.

Also... I took some pictures (first 3) of the GT500 front tires at the beginning of the video and one at the end (last pic). The front do look well worn at the end, but they don’t look that horrible in the beginning. BUT this is just the view on my TV. GT500 definitely has a good amount of front camber.

[Mountain]

TH states in the video, even standing right next to the car, it have GYSC3R, yet you can plainly see that they aren’t. They then pan to the rear GY tire. You can also see the angle of the front tire better.

[oldman]

I'll comment on the drag run, if I may, I will note that even the SS is traction limited stock, all this fancy stuff including some really sticky tires is netting less than 1/2 second on a non-prep surface vs the standard NA auto pony car. Really it is near enough to be a driver's race all the way around. I would like to see GM have a NA drag pack with bigger stickier rubber out back for the guys that don't autox or roadrace, but want a decent 60 launch, add in an optimized launch control with normal pavement setting.

Secondly, if they know this launch control is sloppy on the launch, then why did they not inform the guy and either he needs to launch sooner or turn the launch control off. How can this be a legitimate test if the test driver does not even know the nuance of the car:

Lastly, IMO, the tires were fine from Ford they were played with before the road race, and after all their initial impresion lap(s) and the hot laps they were not as good. The race alignment also work on the wear issue. Sorry if the car's rubber is so sticky that 1/2 day of fooling around waste them,then it really is a race car (production yes), should not be compared to a streetcar. Same way I feel about Demon times with the optional drag radial, really does it matter if it was factory? It is not a street tire. Just my .02.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mountain

TH states in the video, even standing right next to the car, it have GYSC3R, yet you can plainly see that they aren’t. They then pan to the rear GY tire. You can also see the angle of the front tire better.

In the video he states what tires the car comes with. Not what tires they are on. However the rears are the stock tires.

[BlaqWhole]

All this talk about tires and I ordered a set of MPS4S just now. Came out to about $1600!!

[NW-99SS]

Hmm...

I have to agree that this is looking worse and worse for the CFTP. MPS4S's is a great street tire, but in no way does it stack up against a Cup2 or the SC3Rs on the track...so the front end of the ZL1 1LE would also have been suffering a loss of grip and braking if so.

I really enjoyed the video, but this one needs a complete redo with equal alignment settings for both cars, and both on brand new tires.

Last, why do people cry about losing track battles because "almost no one tracks their cars"...so you are upset that two fully optioned track purpose cars are compared on a track?? I know plenty of 1LE owners that track their cars.

[unavailablezl1]

Just sounds like more Mustang Fanboi whining. Ford spends all of this money and waiting on the ZR1 Hp rating of 755 so they could up it by 5hp at 760. All it amounts to is a GT350 with a blower and a cross plane crank and 4225 lbs. Big deal, and it loses to a car that has been out 3 years with less hp.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Just sounds like more Mustang Fanboi whining. Ford spends all of this money and waiting on the ZR1 Hp rating of 755 so they could up it by 5hp at 760. All it amounts to is a GT350 with a blower and a cross plane crank and 4225 lbs. Big deal, and it loses to a car that has been out 3 years with less hp.

Pretty strong words from a past GT350 owner