While I love V8 rumble, diesel roar, V12 howl, and two-stroke scream, I'm kind of liking this Ecotec sound (fast forward to 3:45):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-N4KLq0vQk

This is faster than the last one posted.

If every Camaro built was an SS, prices would skyrocket because GM would have to limit sales to keep its CAFE numbers from plummeting. Why do you think the SS sedan starts at $45k and has little to no advertising outside of NASCAR?

That 2.0T is what's allowing the LT1/LT4 to go into Camaro. Don't like it? Better start writing your representatives.

This, times are changing. All the automakers are going to have to do drastic things to meet CAFE requirements, aluminum F-150s powered by 2.7L turbo V-6s, eco diesel rams, Silverado and Sierra are going aluminum eventually too. Look at all the cars out there that you can get a 4 cyl or turbo 4 cyl in. Hell even FULL SIZE cars are getting them.

While I agree 4 cylinder doesnt scream Camaro or mustang to me, if it helps GM and Ford build a more bad ass V-8 pony car I am all for it. and besides, if you don't like it, don't buy it!

I hope GM develops a higher performance 6.2 liter based off the LT1 similar to the LS6 and LS1. Do CNC ported heads, high flowing intake manifold, no AFM, a more aggressive cam shaft, titanium intake valves and tubular shorty headers. Maybe a bump in compression.

i LOVED the 2.0T on my Solstice GXP - after tuning i got 313 rwhp and a lot of fun.
top speed i saw was 163 before i chickened out.
plus the $8-$10/week on gasoline made for greater social options! :)

Turbo 4 is coming and is here to stay. CAFE standards will push everything this direction. We can thank our government officials for forcing the Supply and Demand free enterprise model into what they think we need.

Reminds me of Denis Leary's rant from Demolition Man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMI_26oljqs

:)

I see your point, and I realize it already, but your original comment seemed to imply that they would be designing a new chassis for this car, which isn't true.

I simply pointed out, that since they are using an existing platform, a huge chunk of the homework is already done. Will they have to make tweaks? Of course, as they will for the V6 and the V8 assuming they want to use to use a different wheelbase that is not the same as the ATS or CTS.

I don't see anything wrong with adding a turbo 4 into the mix.

Its too bad this fun thread is going to likely turn into another "but I don't want no 4 cylinder in my muscle car" thread.

If you guys take the time to read the GMI thread, there is some juicy stuff in there.

I'll take a 4 cylinder.

i wont be buying it but, my problem is i dont want any one to buy it. i dont want to walk down the street and listen to a fart can muffler aka pissed off lawn mower sound out of a classic american muscle car. it is just un-american.:iono: i respect all cars even if i dont like them. but a 4 cylinder in a Camaro is just wrong.

It wouldn't be the first time.

The difference is GM's new turbo 4s are pretty damn good.

Even though there are v8 options out there with it... It really takes away the soul of the car hearing a 4 cyl motor in an iconic muscle car. I do not have a problem with GM making a 4 cyl turbo sports car....just don't call it a Camaro.

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Bizarre Fantasy, based on existing GM parts and tech -

Camaro Ecotec, Area 51 Special Edition.

Color - Gloss black with flat black and red accents. Ghost Shark fender art from SR-71.

Dual 210HP ELR traction motors, front+back.
Nose contains switchable E85 turbo 4 with 270hp on gasoline.
16kwh traction battery.

Cost: $65k.
Seating: 4
Mileage: >100eMPG, or 30 gas MPG.
Electric-Only Range: 40mi.
Gas range: 300mi.
Weight: 3900lb
Performance: Top Speed - 190mph. 1/4mi - 12.50@108mph, 12.0@125mph E85 TurboMode.
HP: Eco - 210HP, Sport - 420HP, Competition - 690HP (60 seconds), TurboMode(E85) - 750HP.
Transmission: None.
Drive: AWD, all wheel regen.
Skidpan: >1.01g
Braking: >1.4g.

The CG would be lower than any existing performance GM product. The weight balance would be 50/50.

The drive system would work thus:

In Eco mode, either electric or gas powers just the front wheels.
Sport mode permits both electric motors to operate in AWD for 420HP.
Competition mode allows both electric motors to run, and the i4 to operate direct drive at 15psi boost on gasoline once road speed allows 2000rpm.
TurboMode requires E85 and boost levels increase to 25psi.

The additional weight comes from the battery and second electric motor.

Think of this as a V8 Camaro with a permanent nitrous bottle that is refilled automatically each night.

It will probably kill a GT-R at the dragstrip, but have a lower CG and all the goodness that comes with it.

But, you can also use it as an economy commuter if you wish. A driver who puts 12,000 miles a year on their car will use little if any gasoline.

When you say Turbo 4, do you think it will be the Twin out of the ATS?