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Old 11-24-2018, 07:41 PM   #1
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Exclamation Need additional brake cooling

I've seen the SS camaro has some pieces of plastic to add on the front suspension for track days.. Does this part fit on the SS 1LE?

If not... Has anyone done brake cooling improvements on the 1le?

I'm thinking of getting ducting from the front "ducts" directly to the rotor center.

Context: I boiled Motul RBF600 brake fluid my first time out.

Let me know what you think!
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Old 11-24-2018, 08:22 PM   #2
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I have heard of people boiling Motul but have not heard of Castrol SRF boiling.
Sesrch if you can. I think those cooling things do work.
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Old 11-24-2018, 10:50 PM   #3
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Yes you can bolt on the SS Camaro front ducts to the SS1LE.

How much better they are is not known. A few people here run them and I will be running them as well.
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Old 11-25-2018, 01:14 PM   #4
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Are you sure you boiled the fluid? You can also get brake fade if the pads haven't been bedded (within 2 days of the track or so) and fully heat cycled.

Every time I go to the track, I re-bed the brakes to get a nice blue transfer layer on the rotors, let the brakes cool overnight. Next day they are SOLID with RBF600, even at Laguna Seca. Past 20 minutes though, I have to take one or two cool down laps.
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Old 11-25-2018, 03:06 PM   #5
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something seems weird here. Back in the summer I went all day in 70-80 degree weather on RBF600 without a problem. I wasn't pushing super hard but I was having fun and definitely getting the brakes nice and hot. What track were you at? Ambient temperature? What pads? How old is the fluid? Humidity?
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Old 11-25-2018, 08:30 PM   #6
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I have ran the SS brake duct cooling kit, which includes larger ducts and smaller splash shield, cost $15. I figured I'd try them for the Texas heat. I switched back to the stock ducts for the cooler days and I'm glad I did.
I use SRF and stock pads and never had a problem even at COTA in the summer. if you're using a more aggressive pads that could be the source of your heat.
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Old 11-25-2018, 09:56 PM   #7
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Another factor may be what settings you had on the PTM. There is a lot of rear brake intervention in the Dry setting. I use Motul and haven't had it boil with stock pads and tires.

Last edited by Uncle Sam; 11-27-2018 at 04:33 PM. Reason: PTM not PDM duh!
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Old 11-25-2018, 10:42 PM   #8
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That was my second thought, is what driving mode is OP using.
See if you overheat with it on PTM race
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Old 11-25-2018, 11:31 PM   #9
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I have ran the SS brake duct cooling kit, which includes larger ducts and smaller splash shield, cost $15. I figured I'd try them for the Texas heat. I switched back to the stock ducts for the cooler days and I'm glad I did.
I use SRF and stock pads and never had a problem even at COTA in the summer. if you're using a more aggressive pads that could be the source of your heat.
How come this isn't standard on the 1LE? Are there any down side of have this on all the time on streets?
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:39 AM   #10
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How come this isn't standard on the 1LE? Are there any down side of have this on all the time on streets?
So I think the idea with the 1LEs is they shouldn't really need the extra airflow that those provide. Bigger brakes mean less heat, so it most situations most people will never overheat them as long as they are using proper fluid. I have a sinking suspicion that OP was using on of the lower PTM settings (or just leaving the nannies on completely) and that's what is causing his problems. I accidentally forgot to activate PTM before one of my sessions at Summit Point earlier this month, after about 4 hot laps I could tell something wasn't right with the brakes. I think it was a mixture of the stabilitrac kicking in and the ABS seems more aggressive with everything on as well. I switched it to PTM Race, did cool off lap at about 60% pace to cool the brakes off and started hammering on it again and got all of my brake confidence back. That's a big reason why I recommend everyone to use PTM Sport 2 or Race, because there's no stabilitrac with those two, so it doesn't burn the brakes. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:02 AM   #11
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I've seen the SS camaro has some pieces of plastic to add on the front suspension for track days.. Does this part fit on the SS 1LE?

If not... Has anyone done brake cooling improvements on the 1le?

I'm thinking of getting ducting from the front "ducts" directly to the rotor center.

Context: I boiled Motul RBF600 brake fluid my first time out.

Let me know what you think!
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You left out the single most important detail:

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...2#post10327912

You're running ST-43 pads, which lack the thermal backing plate and put significantly more heat into the pistons than stock pads.

Of course you cooked the calipers and the fluid, you're missing the thermal plates. When I ran ST-43 pads with J6M brakes, I cooked the front calipers too.

You need Ti shims, no exceptions.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:05 AM   #12
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I knew the OP's name and this topic sounded familiar. I told you how to fix it months ago, and you didn't listen. Ready to fix the problem yet?

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=17
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:11 AM   #13
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I knew the OP's name and this topic sounded familiar. I told you how to fix it months ago, and you didn't listen. Ready to fix the problem yet?

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=17

Boom there you go OP! haha ok potentially stupid question inbound, I pan on going to the Hawk DTC60s in the spring, do those have the thermal plates or will I need to buy some shims as well? I'm no brake pad expert haha
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:04 AM   #14
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Imo if you can fit TI plates do it.

The more thermal contact resistance there is between the rotor and the caliper the better.

And do not use any grease on the pads (quieting) as that will aid in moving heat to your caliper.
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