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Old 11-20-2016, 03:03 AM   #1
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Project​ ​Wraith:​ ​1LE​ ​2SS....Mag​ ​Ride​ ​Z28​ ​​(^^3550-3600​ ​lbs)​ ​500​ ​WHP

Project​ ​Wraith:​ ​1LE​ ​2SS....Mag​ ​Ride​ ​Z28​

(​​current weight 3646 lbs ... full tank/fluids)​ ​500​ ​WHP target ( Kaizenspeed most likely Spring 2019)
( -94 lbs under stock weight)

3590 lbs (half tank of gas)





Hi all,

This is the very beginning of a project log that requires some preplanning...

I am throwing it on here because I am looking for some info that may come up later and will influence the direction I go in

Since I will be ordering a 1LE... there are still alot of unknowns in terms of what parts will be compatible with this Track Package sub-variant and what weight saving measures will be worthwhile...

here's my initial plan and idea... please feel free to comment if you have any info to share.




Overview


Swiss Army Knife Track/Canyon Carver/DD Camaro…. 1LE 2SS…. Mag-Ride Z28…. whatever the name…. The idea is a car coming close to non-Z07 Corvette GS handling at a great value with $$$ left over to reduce weight and eventually get close to LS7 power... In addition... Chevy parts and lightweight aftermarket speakers and custom seat heaters to bring back comforts of 2SS... Combine the best pieces of the Camaro and aftermarket parts bin to make the ultimate daily driver and weekend track car.

Lighten weight across the board by removing rear seats, replacing stock Recaros with lightweight racing seats. Remove mass in every system possible… stock dual mass clutch, stock exhaust system, stock lug nuts, stock hood, stock drive shaft…..


Goals

-Save $40,000 by ordering a 1LE Camaro SS instead of a 2LT Corvette Grand Sport. (Canadian $$$, and I get a GM Preferred Price from my work... which isnt available for the 'Vette)

-Use $10,000-15,000 to first lighten the car to make it handle even better, add creature comforts like Nav, Seat Heat and lightweight aftermarket speakers ( no bass boxes)... then add naturally aspirated power to give a non-Z07 Grand Sport a run for its money….

-Looking for tuners and builders to consider coming up with a total package… I don't need my car for months on end and would allow it to be a test bed… eg Eibach lower springs for FE4 MRC 1LE’s…. Race Seat brackets and harnesses for the 6th Gen SS….

-Looking for stock weights of any/all components that could be replaced to lighten weight and increase performance.


Currently looking for stock weights of:

1LE OEM Wheels

20x10 20mm offset. ^^28 lbs
20x11 43mm offset. ^^29 lbs



(Vertini/Stance fully forged VS 03's staggered at 19" x 10", 19" x 11" 295/30ZR19 , 305/30ZR19 Pilot Sport 4 S

(weights for my sizes 22.6-23.0 lbs)


-28 lbs unsprung weight


Winter wheel set MRR FS01 19 x 10 ( 285/35R19 & 305/35R19 Sottozero 3 potentially

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Pi...tozero-3_2.htm



( Vancouver winters)



2x Cobra Motorsports Kevlar Seats ( 19 lbs + 11 lbs sliders/ mounts/brackets)

-50 lbs over stock seats ( stock seats each 55 lbs.... -25 lb per front seat)



DriveShaft….. 24-28 lbs (Gforce aluminum drive shaft 17 lbs)
Hood…..
1LE Recaro seats ( they look pretty bulky).....
Rear Seatback Delete Kit( Custom) -16 lbs
Battery ( 40.7 lb)
Stock Lug Nuts (13.2 oz per wheel 5x)
Rear Glass ( possible Optic Armour / Lexan).....
Full Exhaust System ( Tri Y's, collectors, catbacks, NPP mufflers)
Complete OEM SS A8 exhaust front to back with NPP 121.90 lbs
NPP Mufflers with 6" of pipe going in 39.30 lbs
Complete mid section and cats 59 lbs
Exhaust manifolds (pair) 23.60 lbs (11.8 lbs each)
OEM Driveshaft 23 lbs ( shipping weight + packaging)

Stock Primary Cats ...9 lbs each (2)

MBRP Race Series Catback 52 lbs (-28 lbs weight saving from behind stock Primary Cats)
Stock diffuser ( replace with CF if weight savings worthwhile).....

** GT4R Hood?!**

Please add any items you think might be good candidates for replacements and weight savings....



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Old 11-20-2016, 03:16 AM   #2
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Initial Prospective (warranty-safe) Mod List:
MGW Shifter ( waiting to hear back about Gen 6 Shifter)
I realize the 1LE comes with a short shifter… my concern is OEM uses alot of plastic parts for easy cost effective manufacturing… MGW makes rifle bolts…. So I think I’ll stick with them
https://www.mgwshifters.com/about-mgw




Centreforce Lightweight Twin Disc Clutch ( -16 lbs of rotating mass) [$1800 b4 install]
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463797
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...19&postcount=4
http://www.centerforce.com/products/...in-disc-clutch


Carbon Fibre Driveshaft (aprox -50 lbs of rotating mass) [$1300 b4 install… when M6 version released)
Rotating mass is 3 times harder to accelerate than normal mass… so any weight reduction is can be considered almost 3 times less weight
http://www.phastekperformance.com/DS...t-gmca18-c.htm


If the CF Drive shaft doesn't work out... there's an Aluminum one rated to 900 hp for a 7-10 lb ROTATING mass savings...

https://gforce1320.com/product/6th-g...eshaft-manual/


Vitesse Speed Controller

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...er-review.html


LIGHTWEIGHT BATTERY SUITABLE TO WINTERS AND DAILY DRIVING....

one contender....

https://www.amazon.com/Odyssey-PC680...%23+ODY+PC680T




Gorilla Black Locking Lug nuts ( lighter than stock) 11.9 oz per wheel instead of 13.2 oz rotating mass per wheel

http://www.phastekperformance.com/20...-locks-blk.htm
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=31


Red Tail Performance #RTP-030B Black Powder Coated Exhaust Muffler Tip Round Forward Slash Cut Rolled Inward Double Wall 2.25" Inlet / ID, 4" Outlet Exhaust Tips
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=467964


2SS Radio-Nav with LPO Dark Knight Ambient Lighting (want smartphone independent NAV and full ambient lighting)
(1SS radio has only White LED harness, require chip swap from footwell ambient lighting to activate full lighting on radio strip)

DIY coming soon, thread here:

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475561

(curious if 2SS owner could chime in on how the GPS Nav functions on the HUD)
there are several threads on the Camaro5 subforum that feature nav radio refits.... I'm hoping its just a matter of time before the Gen6 starts seeing these available..

http://www.gen5diy.com/Gen6-Navigation-Upgrade8-screen/

http://www.gen5diy.com/Chevrolet/Cam...ation-Package/

http://www.thatgmpartsguy.com/chevro...m-illumination
$745

$899.99
$989.99


Blindspot mirrors
(simple add-on... no need for $$$ tech ... lol)
https://www.amazon.ca/Adjustabe-Ampp.../dp/B01GDQ2G4W




COSMETIC/INTERIOR CHANGES


I hate chrome....

http://www.gen5diy.com/Chevrolet/Cam...Shifter-Bezel/





REAR SEAT DELETE
- 28 lbs (will probably keep seat bottoms since they only weigh 4 lbs)

replace with mesh screen to clean up the rear area.


Front Licence Stow and Go
(if I eventually need it...long story)
http://www.phastekperformance.com/ST...nse-sns89a.htm

Front Bowtie Delete
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479114


Front SS Delete

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479830


Trunk close pull strap


http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458277


EXTERIOR LIGHTS

TINTING REAR TAIL LIGHTS




Phastek Oracle Colored LEDs


Having a programmed sequence to switch rapidly between red and blue when that RV refuses to let you by on a long twisty single land canyon road… :3


http://www.phastekperformance.com/20...drl-lights.htm




Headlight Black out film ( $10)
http://www.phastekperformance.com/20...headlight1.htm




Replace Stock Recaros with lighter seats (looking for stock weights to see if this worthwhile)

Custom Seat Heater and Fan for Lightweight Race/Tour Seats

Possible contenders:


Cobra Misano (24 lbs, great bolsters, full tilt so flexible use for passenger as well)

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...er-tracks.html





Cobra Suzuka GT w/ Pro-Fit System and Outlast Cooling Technology


http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/05/...t-of-your-car/












This is Outlast – a temperature-regulating textile. It’s a micro-capsule system and as you sit down they draw the heat away from your body. The molecule goes from being hard to liquid form, then it imparts it back to you when you’re cold. It smooths the corridor of your body heating and cooling, and it’s technology that’s often used in race seats. Developed by NASA and used by people like the Israeli bomb disposal squad in their fatigues, as I hold onto it with my warm hand, it starts to feel cool in seconds.




HARNESS BAR
http://www.bkauto.com/6th_Gen_Camaro_s/386.htm
http://www.bkauto.com/Harness_Mounti...2016_s/387.htm


possibly Roll cage later....


https://studiorsr.com/collections/ca...roll-bar-gen-6












[B]PEDALS

http://www.ultimatepedals.com/chevro...nual_basic.php


( for when I feel like Rev Matching it myself)


https://www.subesports.com/momo/goth...al/mom-got1110


Hardwiring seat fans and heater pads

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=17



STEERING WHEEL

Yellow Centring Stripe


BADGES


1LE

http://www.emblempros.com/inc/sdetail/3448/32769


Oil for track and DD:





Gray Area Mod List ( warranty threatening?)


Roto- Fab CAI ( thanks to Sledgehammer 70 for his videos and testing)


Full Exhaust System ( looking for lightest and good sound….. Any suggestions?


Porting TB, Manifold
( or go full out with engine mods and add MSI Atomic Manifold for 500WHP build)


WARRANTY EXPIRED ENGINE MODS


New CAMSHAFT, AFM Delete, new heads? …..any suggestions and shop recommends?


I’ve hear alot of great stuff so far about Cunningham Motorsports



http://www.cunningham-motorsports.com/

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Old 11-20-2016, 05:16 AM   #3
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At first I loved where you were going with this one...

But given the extensive work you wanna do. Why not just order a 1ss? And aftermarket the hell out of it.
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Old 11-20-2016, 02:36 PM   #4
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At first I loved where you were going with this one...

But given the extensive work you wanna do. Why not just order a 1ss? And aftermarket the hell out of it.
Simple answer... GM chassis engineers spent over a year tuning this car on the Nurburgring to stick and carry high corner speeds.... they have created an amazing, complete car. To save money and not encroach on the next Z28.... they didn't add any power or instill any hardcore weight saving measures...All I'm doing is removing weight and adding power to this excellent platform... The ECU and PTMS will adapt to modest increases of power.



Moreover.... I would love to see someone try and replicate this $6500 package for less than 7 grand.... and you can't order the eLSD... and even if you got it... it would require a ton of software and electronic intergration to work.

You can't get a HUD on a 1SS... you could order a new dash and retrofit... but a few ppl have done that on camaros and corvettes and its extensive work.

You can't get the Alcantara wheel and shifter... you could order replacements... but again... more expensive than just getting it.



I think you are underestimating how important the full integration and synergy of the PTMS and the eLSD is to the performance of this car. Raw numbers might be close between a full aftermarket build SS and the 1LE... but tuners don't test their cars for a year on The Green Hell... and the difference will show on your lap times.

Keep in mind... these mods wont all be done at once... the major drivetrain and engine mods wont be happening until I'm getting close to the power train warranty expiring...

This project is more like making your own DD Z28 by starting with a 1LE.
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:33 PM   #5
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:22 PM   #6
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Order a ZL1


Stop posting responses to threads you don't read... or read and can't comprehend.

This project is the opposite of buying a ZL1 that weighs between 3890-3960 lbs with all that extra weight in the nose....at a $20,000 premium...
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Old 11-22-2016, 05:23 AM   #7
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Lots of stuff in there... Here is what stands out to me.

-The AFM delete isn't necessary if you are buying a 1LE, manual transmission does not have AFM.
-For lightweight battery, Odyssey is pretty good. Look into Braille also, they have super lightweight Lithium Ion batteries as well (ML20c is $1600, but 6.1lbs) (I like to convert weight savings into $/pound. $42/pound saved).
-Saving 1.3oz per wheel on lug nuts is a bit, well, academic. It is $169/pound saved.
-Exhaust is definitely a cost effective weight savings
-Wheels could be an opportunity, I don't know that anyone has weighed the current 1LE setup. They claim to be forged, but GM's wheels are usually on the heavy side. Forgelines might allow some weight savings, but this would be quite expensive.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:00 AM   #8
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I posted the gorllia lugnut weights... It was a happy 'mistake' that they weighed less than stock (bought for appearance); there are lighter alternatives though... Someone else on the forum bought titanium lugnuts for not much more than what i paid for the gorillas...
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Old 11-22-2016, 12:27 PM   #9
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Excellent thanks much so far! I'd heard KATECH has an AFM Valley delete since AFM parts are present on M6 ...just electronically deactivated... the gorilla locks was rather academic but since I need those... better to get the nice black matching ones than GM's

Will be interesting to see some stock weights interesting nice more cars are delivered and parts are weighed
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Old 11-23-2016, 02:18 PM   #10
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Project​ ​Wraith:​ ​1LE​ ​2SS....Mag​ ​Ride​ ​Z28​

​​(^^3550-3600​ ​lbs)​ ​500​ ​WHP


Hi all,

This is the very beginning of a project log that requires some preplanning...

I am throwing it on here because I am looking for some info that may come up later and will influence the direction I go in

Since I will be ordering a 1LE... there are still alot of unknowns in terms of what parts will be compatible with this Track Package sub-variant and what weight saving measures will be worthwhile...

here's my initial plan and idea... please feel free to comment if you have any info to share.



Overview


Swiss Army Knife Track/Canyon Carver/DD Camaro…. 1LE 2SS…. Mag-Ride Z28…. whatever the name…. The idea is a car coming close to non-Z07 Corvette GS handling at a great value with $$$ left over to reduce weight and eventually get close to LS7 power... In addition... Chevy parts and lightweight aftermarket speakers and custom seat heaters to bring back comforts of 2SS... Combine the best pieces of the Camaro and aftermarket parts bin to make the ultimate daily driver and weekend track car. Lighten weight across the board by removing rear seats, replacing stock Recaros with lightweight racing seats. Remove mass in every system possible… stock dual mass clutch, stock exhaust system, stock lug nuts, stock hood, stock drive shaft…..


Goals

-Save $40,000 by ordering a 1LE Camaro SS instead of a 2LT Corvette Grand Sport. (Canadian $$$, and I get a GM Preferred Price from my work... which isnt available for the 'Vette)

-Use $10,000-15,000 to first lighten the car to make it handle even better, add creature comforts like Nav, Seat Heat and lightweight aftermarket speakers ( no bass boxes)... then add naturally aspirated power to give a non-Z07 Grand Sport a run for its money….

-Looking for tuners and builders to consider coming up with a total package… I don't need my car for months on end and would allow it to be a test bed… eg Eibach lower springs for FE4 MRC 1LE’s…. Race Seat brackets and harnesses for the 6th Gen SS….

-Looking for stock weights of any/all components that could be replaced to lighten weight and increase performance.


Currently looking for stock weights of:


DriveShaft…..
Hood…..
1LE Recaro seats ( they look pretty bulky).....
Rear Seats ( 27 lbs folding section, 4 lbs bottom)
Battery ( 40.7 lb)
Stock Lug Nuts (13.2 oz per wheel 5x)
Rear Glass ( possible Optic Armour / Lexan).....
Full Exhaust System ( Tri Y's, collectors, catbacks, NPP mufflers)
Stock diffuser ( replace with CF if weight savings worthwhile).....

Please add any items you think might be good candidates for replacements and weight savings....



I love this! I know exactly where your head is at. Guys are quickly posting about other trims but they don't understand.

I'm so much even leaning towards the v6 1le and putting that thing on a chassis diet. My home tracks are Limerock and New York Safety Track so i think it would be perfect for it.

Have you thought about lighter breaks? The 1le wheels are perfect so i wont suggest lighter wheels.

Good luck!
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I came back to add to my last post...

The 1le wheels are perfect but going to 19inch light wheels would go a long way. You would also save weight on a smaller tires too.

I would say your pretty much at the 3500-3600lbs range with what you listed.
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Old 11-24-2016, 06:25 AM   #12
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yeah.... I hope so... again this will be a long term project... I would love to get some good 19" wheels ... just have to ensure they clear the 6 pistons.... I think I'll prob keep the brake for now... I'm up in Canada so I'll be waiting till spring before I order and I hope the Z28 will be out... which will hopefully mean some lightweight alternatives like diffusers and hoods.... wheels.....seat delete kits ect....

Was looking at Titanium Lugnuts... only a weight saving of about 1.5 pounds... unspring rotating means thats about 4-5 pounds of inertia.... ^^ $160
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Old 11-24-2016, 06:31 AM   #13
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I love this! I know exactly where your head is at. Guys are quickly posting about other trims but they don't understand.

I'm so much even leaning towards the v6 1le and putting that thing on a chassis diet. My home tracks are Limerock and New York Safety Track so i think it would be perfect for it.

Have you thought about lighter breaks? The 1le wheels are perfect so i wont suggest lighter wheels.

Good luck!
I think the V6 1LE is kickass! I want a V8 since in a decade they will probably limited to exotics...

My GF wants a V6 Camaro as well... Bright Yellow... perhaps Ill convince here to upgrade to 1LE....lol

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Old 11-25-2016, 05:55 AM   #14
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I came back to add to my last post...

The 1le wheels are perfect but going to 19inch light wheels would go a long way. You would also save weight on a smaller tires too.

I would say your pretty much at the 3500-3600lbs range with what you listed.

Maybe the MR 017's in the same Gunmetal for the sleeper look...

Wonder how small I could go on the stock 1LE rims for winter tires
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