[FarmerFran]

The dual TB is very interesting

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

At least Ford is still making these cars.

Yep. I'm looking at buying a 2025 Hyundai Santa Cruz because Chevrolet is too busy making overpriced 4-banger Colorado's priced at $50k instead of an updated El Camino.

Awhile back I ran the idea of a Camaro with a higher stance and some off-road capability by this forum and all I got was a pig-headed response of "NO. If isn't doesn't have X, Y and Z it's not a Camaro!!!!"

So to that end I blame the people who have such a narrow definition of what a performance car is supposed to be and Chevrolet for listening to said knuckleheads instead of following common sense.

[crysalis_01]

Having a narrow definition of what something is isn't necessarily a bad idea. At least when it comes to one's personal views on something. But when it's something that you have no control over it's a different story. As much as enthusiasts dislike the idea, companies like Ford and gm are the ones that get to decide, not us, what a Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc. are.
The tradeoff is that in no way are any of us forced to buy the coupe, sedan, EV, CUV, SUV, or whatever vehicle type they decide to name whatever they want.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Having a narrow definition of what something is isn't necessarily a bad idea. At least when it comes to one's personal views on something. But when it's something that you have no control over it's a different story. As much as enthusiasts dislike the idea, companies like Ford and gm are the ones that get to decide, not us, what a Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc. are.
The tradeoff is that in no way are any of us forced to buy the coupe, sedan, EV, CUV, SUV, or whatever vehicle type they decide to name whatever they want.

Until they make enough crap "we" don't want, then they go under and "we" bail them out. LMAO!

wait, that is not funny.

[crysalis_01]

A V8 And A Stick Shift: The Mustang’s Legacy Lives On

| hotcars |



Each and every generation of the iconic Ford Mustang has proudly offered a V8 engine, with the option of a manual transmission, which is pretty rare even in today’s car market. Despite the electric revolution, which 'supposedly' has been looming on the horizon, Ford has not planned on pulling the plug on its most legendary combination.

In a recent interview with Australian media, Ford Mustang’s Global Chief Engineer, Laurie Transou, assured fans that as long as customers keep buying V8s, Ford will keep making them.

“I'd say, I think we're very proud to still making the V8. And when it comes to everyone else, I think that makes us really proud of what we do. And parking on that, that's our history, right…? V8 Mustangs and what we're doing still. Not everybody can say that. And as Jim mentioned, doubling down on it, making it a priority of ours, and it's a hallmark of Mustang.”
- Joe Bellino, Global Brand Manager for Mustang.

The latest generation Ford Mustang continues to carry on with the manual V8, thanks to the ongoing demand from die-hard enthusiasts. Ford knows its audience, and as long as there are buyers who crave the visceral experience of manually rowing through the gears, the manual V8 Mustang isn’t going anywhere.





Ford Doubles Down On Building V8, Manual Mustang For As Long As Legally Possible

| GMA |



Ford is once again rubbing salt on GM enthusiasts’ Camaro-shaped wound. During the media launch for the Australian-spec, seventh-generation S650 Mustang, Ford Mustang global chief engineer Laurie Transou confirmed that the Blue Oval brand would continue to offer V8-powered Mustangs with a manual transmission as long as regulations and demand would allow. Meanwhile, GM discontinued the sixth-generation Chevy Camaro following the conclusion of the 2024 model year.

“[Ford CEO] Jim Farley has mentioned, and we agree, that we’re doubling down on our V8,” Transou told media, per Australian outlet Drive. “As long as we can possibly sell our V8, we’re going to.”

Transou added that Ford is in a unique position with Mustang, offering a variety of models, including four-cylinder EcoBoost models, the all-electric Mach-E, and of course, models equipped with the company’s 5.0L V8. By contrast, traditional Mustang rivals like the Chevy Camaro, Dodge Challenger, and Dodge Charger have all been discontinued in the name of electrification.

What’s more, Ford says it will also continue to offer the option for a manual transmission for as long as customers will buy it.

“I would say what our customers want right now is a manual transmission,” Transou said. “The pure enthusiast loves the manual transmission, so [we] continue to offer it. As long as our customers are desiring manual transmission and there’s a market for it, we would continue to offer manual transmission.”

Production of the sixth-generation Chevy Camaro ended at the GM Lansing Grand River plant in Michigan late last year. The final 2024 Chevy Camaro produced was a ZL1 Coupe finished in Summit White (paint code GAZ) equipped with the GM six-speed manual transmission and ZL1 1LE Extreme Track Performance Package (RPO code A1Z). Under the hood, the sixth-generation Camaro ZL1 is equipped with the supercharged 6.2L V8 LT4 gasoline engine. Looking ahead, GM has confirmed that a new generation for the Camaro is under development, however, the exact form factor remains uncertain, with all signs currently pointing towards a new EV.

[m6-lt1]

I enjoyed most of what I read above. The main thing I’m worried about is the part where they said as long as demand and regulations allow it, they will continue to build v8 Mustangs. Believe it or not I’m more worried about the demand part. I’m sorry but 60k for a Mustang GT premium with performance package is way too much inflation in price in a short amount of time. I would say the same thing about a 2SS 1le if they still existed. Ford increased the msrp again for 2025. I think eventually the “demand” Will fall due to greed. You can get 10+% off msrp right now. As long as those deals exist and continue to exist maybe I will be wrong about the demand.

[FH212]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I enjoyed most of what I read above. The main thing I’m worried about is the part where they said as long as demand and regulations allow it, they will continue to build v8 Mustangs. Believe it or not I’m more worried about the demand part. I’m sorry but 60k for a Mustang GT premium with performance package is way too much inflation in price in a short amount of time. I would say the same thing about a 2SS 1le if they still existed. Ford increased the msrp again for 2025. I think eventually the “demand” Will fall due to greed. You can get 10+% off msrp right now. As long as those deals exist and continue to exist maybe I will be wrong about the demand.

I completely agree with all of this. Demand will dip because the average blue/white collar middle to lower income people that will buy these cars will no longer be able to afford them. Prices are getting insane.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by FH212

I completely agree with all of this. Demand will dip because the average blue/white collar middle to lower income people that will buy these cars will no longer be able to afford them. Prices are getting insane.

I know the cars have changed vastly since the last mustang I owned, but I just did a build and price to build the equivalent of what I had and holy hell.

My 07 listed for around 29.9K. A comparably equipped 24...50.5K

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know the cars have changed vastly since the last mustang I owned, but I just did a build and price to build the equivalent of what I had and holy hell.

My 07 listed for around 29.9K. A comparably equipped 24...50.5K

Using the inflation calculator $29,900 in 2006 is equal to $49,688.49 in 2024.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Using the inflation calculator $29,900 in 2006 is equal to $49,688.49 in 2024.

well then lol. still a shock hahaha

[crysalis_01]

It actually is a bit of a shock, considering things like comfort amenities and of course performance (that poor 3v), compared to what one gets in a S650 vs the early S197.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

It actually is a bit of a shock, considering things like comfort amenities and of course performance (that poor 3v), compared to what one gets in a S650 vs the early S197.

Inflation aside, when the later s197 came out it was a world beater and nothing in the 30k range was better than it until the 5th gen SS 1le came out (still slower in a straight line though). I will never forget that iteration of Mustang put Europe on notice when motor trend tested it against the then current bmw m3 (e92) and they ran basically identical lap times and drag times.

This iteration of Mustang (s650) isn’t proving to be as much of a bang for the buck. Since the Camaro doesn’t exist anymore as a new car I do think the Dark horse is a good car for the price, but would love to see it go head 2 head on the same tire against other cars in its price range before I fully believe it’s an okay bang for the buck and drop nearly 70k on one in the future.

[crysalis_01]

2025 Ford Mustang GTD generates 815 horsepower and 664 pound-feet of torque

| Ford Authority |



The all-new 2025 Ford Mustang GTD debuted over one year ago as the ultimate iteration of the iconic pony car to date, a vehicle that offers up supercar performance thanks to race-derived tech, extreme aero, lightweight materials, and an enhanced version of the automaker’s supercharged 5.2L V8, which is mated to an eight-speed dual-clutch rear transaxle. However, The Blue Oval only previously confirmed that this powerplant would generate north of 800 horsepower, though we now know all of the most important specs pertaining to the fastest production pony car in history.

According to FoMoCo, the 2025 Ford Mustang GTD generates 815 horsepower and 664 pound-feet of torque, which enables it to reach a top speed of 202 miles-per-hour – tying it with the 2013 Shelby GT500 in that regard as the fastest of any pony car, ever. It would likely be faster at the top end if it weren’t for the GTD’s extreme aero that generates boatloads of downforce, though the automaker notes that it features a Drag Reduction System that can change the angle of the giant rear wing and activate flaps underneath the front of the car to provide a better balance between speed and grip.

Meanwhile, the GTD’s powerplant utilizes a dry-sump oil system – another Mustang first – to help keep the engine lubricated throughout the most extreme cornering. The system enables a slightly elevated maximum engine speed of 7,650 rpm as well – 100 more than previous iterations of the 5.2L V8 – and utilizes a revised intake and exhaust, a standard titanium exhaust, and a smaller supercharger pulley to help achieve more peak power. As Ford Authority previously reported, all of this wizardry is expected to help the 2025 Ford Mustang GTD lap the Nürburgring in less than seven minutes. However, those North American customers looking to purchase one now are out of luck for the time being, as the application process has been closed for some time – though the automaker may look to extend its production run amid high demand.

“We’ve been laser focused since day one to make Mustang GTD the first-ever supercar with world-class performance and the soul of a Mustang,” said Mustang GTD Chief Program Engineer Greg Goodall. “GTD’s heart is its supercharged 5.2-liter V8, packing more horsepower per liter than the Porsche 911 GT3 RS. We’ve combined the work of talented engineers and designers, as well as an extremely capable driver, with Mustang GTD technology, power and aerodynamics. We can’t wait to deliver on our sub-7-minute promise to GTD customers.”

[arpad_m]