[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Big Lebowski

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The only evolutional debate on the C8 thus far is the tragic lack of a manual transmission. Though the C7 manual take rate was close to 29%, GM chose to cater to the majority who can’t drive a manual. UnknownJinx and I have seen the “debate” over there and it’s snide and nasty. Some debating that the DCT is a manual trans (Facepalm).

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I can get the actual MT / AT breakdown sometime Tuesday. I know it’s way lower than 29%.

As far as the DCT being a manual...let’s just say they are very closely related. Notice that the performance DCTs in C8 and GT500 are made by Tremec, not ZF or Aisin. What else does Tremec make? They can use the same shaft and gear manufacturing equipment to manufacture most of the DCT.

If you look at a schematic of an AT, an MT, and a DCT, the DCT and the MT will look very much alike in design and part content. They are both layshaft designs. Most ATs (except Honda and early Saturns) are planetary design. Funny that some Saturns were not planetary (<—humor).

Basically, a DCT is an MT that shifts itself. It evolved from AMTs that were automated manual transmissions sold in South America and Eastern Europe. Thing is, they typically had a single clutch. Hondas, until very recently, and early Saturns had more refined AMTs than the ones used in South America and Eastern Europe.

Setting it up so that even gears were on one input shaft and odd gears were on another input shaft and then putting a clutch on each shaft is where the name comes from. Doing that allowed for having the next gear already in place and improved the shift speed dramatically. That’s why they first became popular with exotic sports cars.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Ready or not, would that really be a good thing?

Like, naming aside, why can't there be enough room left in the model lineup for vehicles that aren't SUVs/CUVs or trucks?


Norm

Those aren’t selling right now.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Those aren’t selling right now.

Not in big quantity isn't the same thing as none at all.

Ford started eliminating North American sedan models while they were still selling several hundred thousand (total of four model lines) every year. Which seems like enough reason to hang onto one sedan model somewhere in the middle, separate from the ponycar Mustang.


Norm

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Not in big quantity isn't the same thing as none at all.

Ford started eliminating North American sedan models while they were still selling several hundred thousand (total of four model lines) every year. Which seems like enough reason to hang onto one sedan model somewhere in the middle, separate from the ponycar Mustang.


Norm

But you have to take into account the segment the vehicle is sold in as well as other vehicles in the portfolio that can contribute to share. When Ford decided to axe Fusion, it was still selling more than a hundred thousand a year. But it was trending down. Not drawing the type of volume Accord and Camry were drawing. Ford could have kept it, just as GM kept Malibu (for now) which sells even less. That’s just a question of whether in addition to a noticeable reduction in sales, was Fusion making money.

For Camaro, it made sense since it shared platform with Cadillac sedans and helped reduce their costs. When they go electric (by 2025) one key factor for Camaro remaining is gone.

For Corvette, the scale of the operation is such that it can still make money in the 40 - 60,000/yr rate. Fusion probably needed to be in the 200,000 a year range and Alpha (Cadillacs plus Camaro) probably needed to be in the 125 - 150,000 range to support the manufacturing infrastructure (Lansing plant plus suppliers).

[Big Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

GM can crank out about 60,000 Corvettes a year. GM can crank out about 300,000 Equinox / Terrain a year. True they make more money on each Corvette, but they make money on Equinox / Terrain, so the total per brand falls in favor of Equinox / Terrain.

60,000? GM has never produced that many Corvettes in a single model year. Ever. Even in a debut and 2nd MY of a new generation Corvette they haven’t produced more than 35k since the mid 80’s.

https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-year/

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Big Lebowski

60,000? GM has never produced that many Corvettes in a single model year. Ever. Even in a debut and 2nd MY of a new generation Corvette they haven’t produced more than 35k since the mid 80’s.

https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-year/

I agree the numbers would most likely average out more in the lower 20,000 a year since production started on Corvettes however, your website is not accurate. I owned a 2004 Corvette and production was closer to 34,064 produced not the 2897 listed on the site you provided.

[Big Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Memphis SS

I agree the numbers would most likely average out more in the lower 20,000 a year since production started on Corvettes however, your website is not accurate. I owned a 2004 Corvette and production was closer to 34,064 produced not the 2897 listed on the site you provided.

I blame Google.

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Most real-Mustang owners agree.

The bigger problem is that hanging the Mustang name on this E thing apparently came from Jim Farley, who as you may know was moved up to CEO last fall upon Jim Hackett's departure . . .



Fixed. The Mustang II eventually got a V8.


Norm

I don’t think that fixed it.

I went to the Mustang 40th Anniversary birthday bash that was held in Nashville Tennessee. The Mustang guys did not even recognize the Mustang II. They had them off in a little corner all by themselves and did not acknowledge their existence. Ford would’ve been better off taking a page from the Chevrolet playbook and stopping production then to put that piece of junk out.

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Big Lebowski

I blame Google.

LOL.. you get a pass

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Pupilbone

They knew this thing would be a stretch from the beginning, which is why I think they slapped the Horsey on it. Hell... by the amount of Mustang’s I see around my area Ford must sell one per hour.

Couldn’t agree more with the statement that it waters down muscle car history. (Mustang II lol).

Car and Driver recently gave the Mach-E a somewhat middling review in it's latest issue.

[Kemo Savy]

Originally Posted by Chevelle vs Camaro

This ain’t for the pony crowd. It’s for the tesla crowd. Younger buyers will flock to this and they’re using a name that people know.

The 2dr v8 is dying. We that appreciate it are a very small segment who don’t really matter. It is however smart marketing by Ford to evolve. Give a gen z’er a electric car that’ll do 0-60 in4-5 seconds and they’ll take all day over the Camaro.

Most Mustang, Camaro and challenger drivers are over 35. When the cars we love die out well either hang on too are old ones or adapt to an E car.

Chevy sold less tha 30k camaro’s... how many of those V8’s? Maybe 10,000? The v4/6 crowd will easily accept other cars.

Car companies are not gonna cater to that small of a segment.

I don’t see it as a Mustang

I’m not defending the Mach E..... not a fan.

But those who think it’s bad to take a car with an iconic name that will disappear as we know and appreciate it and re imagine it..... well maybe a reason why we don’t own car companies.

I also think the Blazer is ugly as the mach E and those sold over 100,000......

They gotta adapt, evolve or die.

And before you’ll wanna get mad at me I may one day have to drive an electric car everyday but i’ll always have Veronica in my garage





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Chevy coming out with a new model called the Chevy E-Velle SS.😂😁

[MackSteelPrivateEye]

Originally Posted by Kemo Savy

Chevy coming out with a new model called the Chevy E-Velle SS.😂😁

Yes...I also heard Mary Bara will be eliminating the gas powered Corvette and will be replacing it with a new electric version and will call it the... Chevy E-Vette.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

Yes...I also heard Mary Bara will be eliminating the gas powered Corvette and will be replacing it with a new electric version and will call it the... Chevy E-Vette.

Rumor is it is the E Ray, and it won’t kill the ICE version, but ultimately enhance it for the 1,000 HP Zora.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Big Lebowski

60,000? GM has never produced that many Corvettes in a single model year. Ever. Even in a debut and 2nd MY of a new generation Corvette they haven’t produced more than 35k since the mid 80’s.

https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-year/

I’m talking capacity, not actual production. With added shifts the plant could probably do 60k.