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I think the differences in any Corvette, Camaro, Blazer, etc., will be mostly styling only. EVs are all basically the same, and performance differences seem negligible with only artificially installed software and intentionally reduced characteristics. Hell, the rate it's going, your new EV will be outdated before it's even delivered. But, whatever. A Camaro top-hat with a little different battery...meh. We'll see. It seems EVs will be hard-pressed to come up with any real differences unless you are a hard-core motorhead, er, make that a battery-head...lol |
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This breaks down pretty well how awesome EVs will be for those of us in the US before it's all said and done. Better assimilate and cozy up to the Chinese.
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As for the cylindrical batteries being better…I don’t think that’s a point anybody was ever trying to make. Just like OHC engines have different characteristics than OHV engines, pouch batteries, prismatic batteries, and cylindrical batteries all have different characteristics in terms of how they package as well as how rapidly and/or efficiently they discharge energy.
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I believe that most people care about stoplight to stoplight so most are not interested in 60-XXX pulls.
I also, honestly believe the powers that be are finding ways to restrict highspeed cars on the interstate/highway/ whatever you want to call it. EV is a very easy first step. Now I am not saying they are pissing in your wheaties, I honestly believe they are trying to make it safer. OK, Imagine this... Highways that everyone is traveling the same speeds in the same lanes, and moving out of the way for merging or emergency cars. I bet you 1000% you get there faster. Fun, NO. But the reality is that us as humans start to move faster and faster, farther and farther at life.
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Interesting concept..."the price ladder overlap"....The lowest priced vehicle will always be at the bottom rung and the first to be eliminated. Great for company profits...not so much for the consumer as witnessed by the end of the Bolt in favor of the higher priced and more profitable Silverado. Low cost affordable EVs will be a low priority to produce , contrary to what we have been led to believe. |
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Perhaps Interstate travel and highways offer more safety with EVs, as they won't be able to travel as much and will spend a considerable amount of their travel time stopped at a charging station. |
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Ha, not well. C&D tested a 2020 (presumably about the same year as the author of the article) and it did 0-60 in 6.2, 1/4 mile in 14.9 @ 94 mph, and 60-100 mph in 10.9 seconds (that's one of my favorite splits since it's a bit more realistic for a typical short highway pull). For low powered cars like this, assuming it can even go 130 mph, the 60-130 mph takes 2.3-2.6 times longer than the 60-100 mph (and probably more for a low powered EV). So that would put the Niro EV in the 25-28+ second range 60-130. A 2016 V6 1LT RS M6 did much better. It went 0-60 in 5.1 seconds and 1/4 mile was 13.7 @ 103 mph. The 60-100 split was 7.9 seconds. Significantly quicker than 10.9. Not sure on the 60-130 but probably around 19 seconds.
Yeah, except even the Niro is slow; 0-60 in 6.2 seconds isn't ruling the streets or even beating a V6 Camaro or Ecoboost Mustang.
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Not in the case of the Bolt! It's the lowest priced EV in the US and qualifies for the full 7.5K tax credit. It is at the height of it's popularity and production. Raw greed to produce more Silverados that "require" the Bolt to be eliminated is a total FU by the automaker. Bolt production should be ramped up. The geniuses at gm didn't know it was on an old platform, or that the plant used to build it was going to be re-purposed? All seemed like a good idea initially! This looks like a corporate disaster for which someone should get fired instead of being portrayed as something planned all along. The cancelled Bolt is a telling incident. How long did we hear the Camaro would be cancelled due to lack of sales, or would have continued on if it sold better? The opposite was the case with the Bolt. The noble little Bolt will be remembered as the golden egg killed by the greedy goose. For the EV transition, this shows to me again that it is a total scam subsidized by the tax-payer and gm is a willing partner. GM is throwing away a chance to be the hero with the lowest priced EV built in the US. I don't believe they care what any customer thinks. The EV transition will leave you no other choice and be intentionally way more expensive and costly to the public. |
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You guys do realize there's a replacement inbound for Bolt on Ultium right? It's not like GM is completely abandoning the segment and price point.
This all just seems like typical knee-jerk reactions from people who don't know all the facts.
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The knee-jerk was gm cancelling the Bolt. Anything "inbound" is likely years away and a 30K Equinox might be in the same "price-point" to gm but not to the customer. The gm customer is viewed as a mushroom...kept in the dark and fed...etc., etc....
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