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I like the government’s current position of encouraging demand through incentive to sway consumer interest in support of manufacturer’s strategy. This EPA move is focused on pushing manufacturers beyond their current product strategies (which has been ahead of regulations so far) without discussion on feasibility.
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04-12-2023, 09:52 AM | #590 |
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Here's how i'd recommend they do this instead. Make a superior product without compromise than ICE counterparts and competitors for less money. Let's try that.
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The gov't and bureaucrat's only concern is ending fossil fuels. And obviously it will never happen soon enough. The true nature of the EV scam will be the end of personal vehicle ownership and mass reliance on public transportation. Look for new updated climate research propaganda and panic global warming dooms-day predictions as part of the EPA's justification. God help us all. |
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04-12-2023, 10:34 AM | #592 | |
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04-12-2023, 06:55 PM | #593 | |
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04-12-2023, 07:38 PM | #594 |
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The thing I find funny, yes funny...
Barrel of oil 40% Gas - a lot more than just cars 25% Deisel - a lot more than just F250s 10% Jet fuel - only getting to be more 5% roadways - only getting more 20% Plastics - only getting more so as they shift away from gas cars they will need more plastics for said cars, as well as more asphalt for the more roadways, so the barrel of oil just shifts is shape. Sure we reduce the gas car emissions but create another problem with plastic wastes. It is a shitty cycle and the earth always finds a way to fix itself, well until it crashes into the sun
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"Today, the Biden administration made clear it wants to decide for Americans what kinds of cars and trucks we are allowed to buy, lease, and drive," Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., said. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., said the president wants to "ban the cars we drive." "His misguided policies are hurting American families while helping China," he said. "The president’s disastrous energy transition is making us more reliant on our enemies while driving up prices for Americans. The ‘electrification of everything’ is not a solution. It’s a road to higher prices and fewer choices." |
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People can say what they want about "the car manufacturer's are already doing it anyways...it was going to happen". No. Not without the kind of pressure they are getting from our government. I'm sure there would still be development and Hybrid and full EVs, but not at this forced rate.
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Interesting article. A few things need to be noted. 1) The writer acknowledged that the vehicle he was driving has an uncompetitive charging system. “Every EV has a maximum charging rate, expressed in kilowatts (kW), that governs the amount of power it can accept from roadside fast chargers. For the bZ4X AWD I tested, that's an uncompetitive 100 kW.” Most of the newer EVs on the market can take a lot more charge a lot faster than the bZ4X. Since this thread is (theoretically) about GM pulling back on EV, let’s see what they say…”The Blazer EV will be capable of charging on a DC fast charger and Chevrolet says it can charge at up to 190 kW and add about 78 miles of range in just 10 minutes.” 2) Toyota intentionally designed the battery charging system to favor battery life over charging speed, meaning it will slow down charging under certain conditions. Keep in mind that Toyota is behind GM and others in lithium ion battery development. The Prius only recently started using lithium ion. “Toyota engineered the SUV to prioritize battery longevity, a spokesperson said, which means putting a damper on fast charging, which can accelerate battery wear.” GM and Hyundai in particular have significantly better approaches to balancing charging time to battery wear. If there’s one thing we know about engines, it’s that they ain’t all created equal, sports fans. Some are demonstrably better than others. This holds true for batteries, electric motors, and charging systems developed by companies that are focused on developing EVs (GM, Hyundai) compared to those that are actively pushing back on the transition (Toyota). 3) Driving range decreases with high speed driving. Where have I seen that happen before? Oh yes…every gasoline car I’ve driven since the beginning of time. Battery range decreases with more usage of the HVAC system. Ditto. That should come as no surprise to anybody. It’s basic physics. The more aggressively you use the energy, the faster it will deplete. Where ICE has an advantage is that you have almost no problem finding a place to refuel. For EVs that is a lot more difficult, though not as crippling as some would have you believe. The good thing, from my perspective at least, is that the better EVs do a really good job of letting you know how much faster range will deplete so that you can plan around it and reduce the instance of butt clenching situations. The Toyota the writer drove is not so equipped. Here’s one of the best examples I’ve seen in the many EVs I’ve had the opportunity to drive. Not the only approach. But the best I’ve seen. Genesis GV60 (Genesis is Hyundai’s luxury brand). The writer’s experience is what it is and cannot be denied. It can be pointed out though that it is not the typical EV experience, but more likely an experience on the tip of the bell curve. Some will experience this, most won’t. And a significant number of people will say “9-hour trip? Maybe we should take the <insert name of ICE CUV> instead of the EV”. The same way people today say “Family trip? Maybe we should take the Edge instead of the Mustang”
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04-15-2023, 04:08 PM | #601 | |
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Say add AC compressor to big ass V8 engine - it has so much losses in spining itself that the AC is not even noticable, where in EV everything counts. EVERYTHING. EV is so efficient, and not needing to use power to coast or stand in the traffic, that any use of energy will be seen. The problem is that we are used to inefficient ICE (which is cool, ZL1 ) that we don't even think about stuff like "why do I need to burn fuel when I am just standing still". But whole bad talk about EVs are not because they suck, its because current battery technology suck. If we could have batteries with an energy density of gasoline we would probably have 2k miles (and up) range easy. But todays batteries are big and heavy...
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