[RLHMARINES]

The Z/28 was not made to be a high sales model hence why they only planned to make less than 3000 over two model years. The Z/28 is our true track halo car in the lineup but greedy dealers adding markups to a already high entry fee did not help this track focused car. In my area, all of the cars that were marked up sat in the showrooms for weeks but once the markups came off, they sold. The Z/28 has in no way been a sales failure.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Snakedriver

The Z28 isn't selling so a ZL1 and a ZL1R.

The name wasn't the issue. People didn't understand why the Z/28 was worth the price.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The name wasn't the issue. People didn't understand why the Z/28 was worth the price.

Chevy knew the Z/28 wouldn't sell high volume and cautioned that it was too hard core for most. They publicly stated up to 3000 units. I wonder how many they actually expected to sell....and how many 15s have been built

Yes, we know the 2014 Camaro Z/28‘s $75,000 price makes it out of reach to most of us. We also know the price is a tad shocking to the Camaro brand (which has always been relatively affordable aside of the race-only 1969 ZL1). But Chevrolet didn’t produce the Z/28 to be a populist statement of a road-hugging pony car—rather, it’s the Camaro version of the Corvette Z06. So while you were complaining about the price, Chevrolet has already sold all 500 planned for 2014.
However, Chevrolet has plans to build another 2,500 through 2015, so all is not lost, well-heeled readers. AutoGuide.com reports that Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser says Chevrolet may build even more if demand suggests.

Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/04/...#ixzz3SUHthV7b

[DrkPhx]

It will be interesting to see what GM has in store for the higher hp models. I don't think they will engage in the hp wars to compete with the Hellcat or rumored upcoming new GT500 with 700hp plus. That would seem to eliminate a new ZL1 and favor the "balanced" approach they take with an emphasis on handling.

However, I recently found this on another forum. Take it for what it's worth (internet hearsay); but it does make you wonder what they really have up their sleeve.

Yes I have seen the 6th gen Zl1 mule in person. That was several months ago, it still had non-production body panels on it. Yes, it has the LT4 as I previously mentioned. Yes it is on the Alpha (ATS) chassis. I designed the aluminum front shock towers for it so I might know a thing or two about the chassis

Official curb weight has yet to be determined, too many details to be ironed out. I expect the ZL1 to come in around 3850-3900 lbs.

I can't legally post any documents or pictures so you'll have to take my word for it.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

It will be interesting to see what GM has in store for the higher hp models. I don't think they will engage in the hp wars to compete with the Hellcat or rumored upcoming new GT500 with 700hp plus. That would seem to eliminate a new ZL1 and favor the "balanced" approach they take with an emphasis on handling.

However, I recently found this on another forum. Take it for what it's worth (internet hearsay); but it does make you wonder what they really have up their sleeve.

I just read through some of the posts on that thread.. That dude doesn't even work for GM.. Ehhh.

[Z/284ever]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

It will be interesting to see what GM has in store for the higher hp models. I don't think they will engage in the hp wars to compete with the Hellcat or rumored upcoming new GT500 with 700hp plus. That would seem to eliminate a new ZL1 and favor the "balanced" approach they take with an emphasis on handling.

However, I recently found this on another forum. Take it for what it's worth (internet hearsay); but it does make you wonder what they really have up their sleeve.

What site is that from?

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Z/284ever

What site is that from?

Google is an amazing thing. Edit: not trying to be a jerk when i say that...i really was amazed that google found the site with the phrase i googled.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/automotive...-vs-zl1-2.html

[Z/284ever]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Google is an amazing thing. Edit: not trying to be a jerk when i say that...i really was amazed that google found the site with the phrase i googled.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/automotive...-vs-zl1-2.html

Thanks. Some interesting posts.

[90503]

Perhaps highly unlikely, but why not a free-pass for the LS7 and the LSA making into the 6th Gen for the Z/28 and ZL-1 respectively?.....

A short term lease-on-life for these engines wouldn't be too unlike how the LS7 continued into the Z/28...

Have there been any rumors/news that the "new"(?) plant that is making the LS7 will be closing down?

Those two engines would fill in the gaps at least temporarily, and be all a new Gen Camaro would need to compete with the new Fords, or whatever....I think it would be an awesome surprise if they could pull off continuing those two engines somehow into the 6th Gen, if at least for a short while....

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 90503

Perhaps highly unlikely, but why not a free-pass for the LS7 and the LSA making into the 6th Gen for the Z/28 and ZL-1 respectively?.....

A short term lease-on-life for these engines wouldn't be too unlike how the LS7 continued into the Z/28...

Have there been any rumors/news that the "new"(?) plant that is making the LS7 will be closing down?

Those two engines would fill in the gaps at least temporarily, and be all a new Gen Camaro would need to compete with the new Fords, or whatever....I think it would be an awesome surprise if they could pull off continuing those two engines somehow into the 6th Gen, if at least for a short while....

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GM Closing Wixom Performance Engine Facility, Build-Your-Own-Engine Program Ends

General Motors’ Wixom Performance Build Center has been responsible for building the company’s highest performance engines by hand since it was opened back in 2005 with the most recent efforts being focused on the Corvette Z06, the Corvette ZR-1 and a variety of high performance crate motors sold to consumers for custom car builds. However, with a decrease in demand for the LS7 and LS9 engines caused by the launch of the C7 Corvette, GM will shutter the tiny high performance engine facility. Even though the new Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 will pack the LS7 engine formerly reserved for the C6 Corvette Z06, GM doesn’t see the need to have a facility dedicated to the least-used engines in their vehicle lineup. The few highly specialized workers at the Wixom facility will work through this fall as they build the engines for the new Z/28 but after that, they will be offered positions in other Detroit area powertrain facilities and the Performance Build Center will close – seemingly for good.

http://www.torquenews.com/106/gm-clo...e-program-ends

[Blueclyde]

Originally Posted by 90503

Perhaps highly unlikely, but why not a free-pass for the LS7 and the LSA making into the 6th Gen for the Z/28 and ZL-1 respectively?.....

A short term lease-on-life for these engines wouldn't be too unlike how the LS7 continued into the Z/28...

Have there been any rumors/news that the "new"(?) plant that is making the LS7 will be closing down?

Those two engines would fill in the gaps at least temporarily, and be all a new Gen Camaro would need to compete with the new Fords, or whatever....I think it would be an awesome surprise if they could pull off continuing those two engines somehow into the 6th Gen, if at least for a short while....

Not going to happen. Gen V engines will be used.

[Jeb114]

This came out 2.15.2015. Friends of mine have involvement in the Buffalo auto rama, GM has a booth there every year. GM moved there Performance engine shop to the Tonawanda Plant in Buffalo. This is from there web site...
Location:
2995 River Rd
Buffalo, New York. 14207 United States
Year Opened:
Plant #1 – 1938; Plant #4 – 1941; Plant #5 – 2001
Facility Size:
Approximately 3.1 million square feet of floor space – 190 acres
Union Local:
UAW Local 774
Facility Details


About Tonawanda Engine: Tonawanda Engine sits across from the beautiful Niagara River in Buffalo, NY. It employs a diverse workforce to produce award winning engines for General Motors' most desired products. Its employees are firmly committed to helping the community in which they live and work, and have donated thousands of dollars and volunteered many hours to make Western NY a better place for all.
Facilities:
GM Powertrain Tonawanda Engine Plant #1
2995 River Road, Buffalo, New York 14207
GM Powertrain Tonawanda Engine Plant #5
240 Vulcan Road, Buffalo, NY 14207
GM Powertrain Tonawanda Engine Plant #4
2390 Kenmore Ave., Buffalo, NY 14207

Investments
2010
General Motors has awarded Tonawanda Engine two new product lines in 2010

• $425 million for the next Generation Ecotec 2.0:/2.5L
• $400 million for a new V8 small block engine

Including the above 2010 announcements, GM has invested $2.6 billion into Tonawanda Engine over the past decade
Products & Production
Products:

• Ecotec 2.0L Turbo/2.5L – Chevrolet Malibu & Impala, Buick Regal & Cadillac ATS & CTS
• EcoTec3 4.3L V6, 5.3L V8 & 6.2L V8 – Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra Pickup Trucks and Chevrolet Tahoe & Suburban, Cadillac Escalade and GMC Yukon & Yukon Denali SUVs
• 6.2L LT1 V8 for the 2015 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (Ward's Automotive 10 Best Engine List for second consecutive year!)
• 6.2L LT4 V8 for the 2015 Corvette Z06 and 2016 Cadillac CTS-V

2014 CY Production Total:

• Engines produced in 2014 – 610,634
• Total engines produced since 1938 – 71,942,245

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Chevy knew the Z/28 wouldn't sell high volume and cautioned that it was too hard core for most. They publicly stated up to 3000 units. I wonder how many they actually expected to sell....and how many 15s have been built

I understand that. My point was that taking off the Z/28 badge and slapping a ZL1R badge on the car wouldn't suddenly make people flock to dealerships wanting one.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I understand that. My point was that taking off the Z/28 badge and slapping a ZL1R badge on the car wouldn't suddenly make people flock to dealerships wanting one.

Don't think the name is the problem, the price tag is.