09-19-2019, 01:44 PM | #71 |
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I love how all the animosity in here is from middle class people tearing into middle class people. Both sides have their suckage, but at the end of the day they both need each other.
Try supporting the guys and gals that are on strike. Drop off some donuts, take them coffee. Go hang out with them. Take away the unions, the good or the bad ones and watch what happens. |
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I don't know about you, but neither number is what I'd reasonably call the difference between an average worker making it or not - it'd buy me around an eighth to a third of a single month's mortgage payment. These ideas about executive pay taking from "the workers" (executives, managers, and non-union engineers are being all workers too) and holding them back from prosperity don't stand up to even casual examination, or 5th grade math. By the way, apply that average to all 170,000+ GM employees and you get over $7 BILLION in labor costs. GM's net profit after taxes and labor and other costs is only a billion more than that. |
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09-19-2019, 01:54 PM | #73 |
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I'm not a labor expert, I don't know anything about the UAW or any Union's inter workings or how good or bad each one might be. I'm curious though why such animosity towards people joining one and having the ability to sit down at the table with "management" and fight for better wages / benefits / working environment? Why is there such disdain for this concept? If the Union was so bad for the union members, THEY have the right to dissolve the UNION by majority vote.
If you think they are getting too much, then the question or disdain shouldn't be about why THEY are getting something that you are not, the question should be why can't you get what they have? Do we hold the same disdain for other unions, like Police and Firefighters Unions? What is the criteria for one being good and one being bad? just my 2 cents.
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09-19-2019, 02:23 PM | #75 |
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Maybe if GM and other automakers weren’t union then trucks and cars wouldn’t be so expensive and every year the prices wouldn’t increase at least $2000 to $3000! Foreign auto companies that have located here are non union so why can’t domestic companies do the same?
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The biggest single component of car price increase are Obama related due to the 2012 mileage standards imposed(that Bush would not sign for good reason). Just another government lie for all of us to pay for. |
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Cause it is inflation, management trying to please shareholders/wall street causing it more? Our 2002 Chevy Suburban cost $40,000. In 2016 when they bought a new one, it cost $60,000. Sounds like a huge spike right? Well take 2001 money and adjust it.... Comes to be $54,000. Fast forward to today it is now $57,000. But it's the same constant theme though. Want to buy products that is made in the US, but doesn't want to pay the money to make that a reality. As mentioned before.... The companies pay the non-union plants well because of the threat of the union. Take that threat away, see wages go down. Quote:
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There's such a unique duality that I see throughout this thread. Unions, for better or for worse, represent their work force. People on one end seem to think that the workers in the assembly line are paid too much as is, others think they're not paid enough, ultimately, the workers themselves would sure like more money, would they not? However, the consumer wants to pay less for more product. You can't have it both ways unless you start capping income for executives in all forms and distribute that profit more evenly among its workforce, research, development and legitimate costs of doing business. That's the only way you're going to get a vehicle for less money while the workers are getting better pay/benefits.
But that's never going to happen because people will cry foul and complain about socialism or something. But I see it all the time. I saw it in the government sector, I see it in the private sector all the time. Everyone wants to be paid more but wants to complain about other peoples pay and how much they have to pay to get items/goods/services. Until we relinquish some level of selfishness from someplace, no one will be happy and people will just continue to point the finger.
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Let's be honest with ourselves, when is that going to happen? Do you really think that people will do that? What has stopped them from doing it already? I really don't think that executives are just going to start accepting less money in the general scope of business just to take care of their people. That's almost like implying that trickle down economics works.
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Look, you can do the math yourself. Even if you made the CEO work for free, took her annual $22,000,000 and divided it 100% equally among the 170,000 (according to Wikipedia as of last December) other GM workers, what does that gain you as one of the 170,000?
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Is the CEO worth ~552 times the worth of the average GM employee? Does she do 552 times the work on any given day? I recommend Thomas Piketty’s Capital in the Twenty-First Century. EDIT ADD: CEO Pay Has Grown 90 Times Faster than Typical Worker Pay Since 1978 https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-...ay-since-1978/
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