04-25-2021, 09:13 AM | #29 | |
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For fuel efficiency, manuals aren’t the answer anymore. In line haul tractors, manuals are being replaced by automated manuals and automatics as the computer is better than the driver.
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04-25-2021, 10:04 AM | #31 |
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Everyone is already in a tizzy about how to properly dispose of AA batteries, and the same folks give zero thought about the scarring of the earth to mine the extraordinary ore needed to MAKE batteries.
Then with all the car manufacturers announcing all vehicles electric by XX, but no one is talking about the need for all the extra power plants we need to burn the fossil fuel to generate the electricity to charge the batteries. Also, Has there been any conversation about disposing of all the Prius’s once the batteries go bad? Seems to me we are just creating different problems in search of a solution.... |
04-25-2021, 10:15 AM | #32 |
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04-25-2021, 10:17 AM | #33 | |
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Again, you will only get me away from manual transmissions if you pry my cold, dead right hand off the gear lever. I’d rather be stuck in stop and go traffic in a manual ‘86 Yugo than a brand new C8. I am very serious about that too. |
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04-25-2021, 10:32 AM | #34 |
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04-25-2021, 10:39 AM | #35 |
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04-25-2021, 11:02 AM | #36 |
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EVs are the future, including performance cars. and the trend is irreversible. It will take about 25 years for a complete transition, but eventually ICE vehicles will be an oddity on the road...you hardly see any 25 year old cars on the road around compared to newer models.
The range anxiety issue for EVs has already been solved, as as the cost. In fact any EV today has a lower TCO (total cost of ownership) than its equivalent ICE counterpart, due the savings on fuel and on maintenance. The number of recharge stations and their location is on its way to being solved, though 90% of EV charging is done at home. Electrical capacity will also be solved. Why? Because of demand. Human ingenuity doesn't operate in a vacuum disconnected from the real world. Change always has its opponents, that hasn't changed since textile workers threw their sabbots (shoes) into the automated machines that were putting a lot of them out work, a futile attempt at sabotaging the future. Anyone driving a Camaro today who opposes EVs, just because, is a driving contradiction. Vastly improved specific power output, far lower emissions, fully computerized systems/connectivity (multiple CPUs) and much better collision protection for its occupants; are just a few of the "appliance" improvements. Since they continue to drive them, the real reason for their opposition to EVs isn't the concept, it's the nostalgia for the good 'ol days. That hasn't stopped progress before, and it won't with EVs. |
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For people who look at cars as simply an appliance, sure. But not enthusiasts. This is a forum for Camaro enthusiasts. You should expect your BS to not fly here. |
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04-25-2021, 11:06 AM | #38 |
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You're going to need to buy more shoes.
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04-25-2021, 11:09 AM | #39 |
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04-25-2021, 11:15 AM | #40 |
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The enthusiasts are a shrinking number. With tracks closing down, epa investigating performance shops, ecus becoming more complex to tune its becoming harder and harder to justify owning a sports/muscle car without being able to use it to its potential.
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04-25-2021, 11:19 AM | #41 | |
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I joined this forum to talk Camaros with V8s. Not appliances. Big difference. |
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04-25-2021, 11:28 AM | #42 |
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Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it looks like the Camaro is going to have to go to electric if it wants any chance of survival. This website will just have to make an extra sub section when it eventually happens.
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